March 07 2011
Title
The Source: Matter or Consciousness? || Part 1 || Brahma Sutras || 07 March 2011
Description
Name of Convention: Brahma Sutras
Title: The Source: Matter or Consciousness? Part 1
Session on: Fifth Sutra, First Chapter of the Brahma Sutras; Is the Origin/ Source made up of Matter or Consciousness?
Date: 7 March 2011
Venue: Adi Kailasa, Bengaluru, Karnataka, India
In this video Supreme Pontiff of Hinduism HDH #Nithyananda Paramashivam sheds light on the Fifth Sutra of the First Chapter of the Brahma Sutras and on the eternal question; is Source/ Origin made up of matter or consciousness? In this video HDH Nithyananda Paramashivam shares the story about the argument of Vyasa and Shankara, the Author of the Brahma Sutras and the Commentator, on the origin of existence. He then goes into how, when Masters teach, there is an important difference between fact and technique. It makes all the difference in how we discern, understand and apply this and what our experience of it is.
This video is a pure gem for all who contemplate this statement: Is existence Consciousness or Matter?
The Supreme Pontiff of Hinduism Jagatguru Mahasannidhanam His Divine Holiness Nithyananda Paramashivam (HDH) is the reviver of #KAILASA - the ancient enlightened civilization and the great cosmic borderless Hindu nation. Revered as the incarnation of Paramashiva - the primordial Hindu Divinity, HDH has a following of 2 billion Hindus worldwide with de facto spiritual embassies in over 150 countries. He has worked untiringly for over 26 years for the revival of Kailasa, for global peace and to give super conscious breakthrough to humanity. He has survived the worst persecution of multiple assassination attempts on person and on character by anti-Hindu elements. He is collecting, organising, preserving, time capsuling, decoding, spreading and reviving 20 Million source books of Hinduism and the 64 sacred arts & sciences like Ayurveda, music, dance, sculpting, astrology, vastu and much more. Close to 20,000 hours of HDH’s timeless talks have been recorded till date (Sep 2020), which are a treasure trove of powerful cognitions to solve individual and global problems of any kind.
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[00:00:15]
sadāśiva samārambhām śaṅkarācārya madhyamām | asmat āchārya paryantām vande guru paramparām ||
[00:00:38]
I welcome you all with my love and respects. I welcome all the devotees, disciples, who are sitting with us at this moment around the world, in 338 places, in 127 cities in 22 countries. Apart from that, there are 16 cities around the world sitting with us in two-way connection - video conferencing: Los Angeles, San Jose, Seattle, Ohio, Phoenix, Malaysia, Guadeloupe, Singapore, Dubai, UAE, Hyderabad, Golden Enclave, Anna Nagar, Adyar Satsang Centre, Tharamangalam, Morocco, Brazil. I welcome all of you for this Brahma Sutra satsang. I welcome all of you for this great happening - Brahma Sutras.
[00:02:24]
Today’s Sutra: 5th Sutra; in the 1st chapter, 5th Sutra.
ईक्षतेर्न, अशब्दम् ॥ ५ ॥
īkṣaterna aśabdam
As I said, just 2 words, not more than 2 words. Just 2 words and now we will have to break our head. 😄Just these 2 words. Actually when you are in such a deep Samadhi, you utter as minimum as possible. Sometime you can’t even utter. Yesterday, after the Brahma Sutras, I was just sitting in Samadhi. All the Ashramites were around Me. One of our devotee had a fits in the hall. I said, “I’ll take care,” and I told them to bring her. Then I said, “I’ll take care, don’t worry. Give the medical care.” Only later on, usually I am a person who will run. I’ll get up and run. I did not run. The reason was I was not actually able to move the body; I was in a very strong Samadhi; especially after the strong Brahma Sutras. But suddenly, late in the night I remembered, I didnot even tell them that why I did not come out; why I did not run towards them.
[00:04:24]
Later on I thought… of course they are devotees, they won’t mistake. I did not even, I only used the word, “I’ll take care, don’t worry. Take them to medical care.” Did not even use, I should have told at least why I did not come out, why I did not get up from the seat and go there. Later on I remembered, “Why I did not tell? Usually I am a person, I will tell.” Sometime the deep Samadhi, the words become so minimal, it doesn’t come out when it is not required. Actually my deep trust ‘they are devotees, they will not mistake even if I don’t come from the, come down and come there. They trust My word.’ That trust, that My trust that they trust Me, took care that extra words did not even come. But if I did not have that trust, “Oh, they are devot... they may mistake that why I did not even come out to heal,” then immediately maybe I would have told, I would have given the reason, or even if the body is in Samadhi, I would have ran maybe to physically touch, to give them the confident that I am really healing them, healing that person. So when there is a deep trust, words do not come out.
[00:06:10]
2 word! Just 2 word.
ईक्षतेर्न, अशब्दम् ॥ ५ ॥ īkṣaterna aśabdam
ईक्षतेर्न, अशब्दम् ॥ ५ ॥
īkṣaterna aśabdam
[00:06:20]
But one of the world’s biggest problem is analysed just in this Sutra. Usually when I am going to speak on some Sutras, I will see those great Masters’ energy landing, and preparing the disciples to receive the expression. And they themself expressing themself through My tongue, through My being, through My presence and all that. Now last 2-3 days, I am seeing all the big big philosophers are landing here. See, some enlightened philosophers are landing just to enjoy the Brahma Sutra happening; some unenlightened philosophers but evolved beings - there are some Ganas, Munis - evolved philosophers, but did not become enlightened - those guys are coming and sitting here to catch the glimpse and get the click so that they can become enlightened.
[00:07:32]
Understand, whenever you get one valid click, one big engram is relieved. You are free from one big engram. So last few days I am seeing all kinds of philosophers are moving around. Some enlightened philosophers, some unenlightened - Nyaya, Vaisheshika, Purva Mimamsa, Uttara Mimamsa; all philosophers. The whole ashram is now filled with the philosophers energy for this great happening of Brahma Sutras.
[00:08:35]
Bhaktas are very auspicious people, devotees are very auspicious, whether they are enlightened or unenlightened.
One young lady of little loose character goes to Vivekananda. Vivekananda with such a deep love and care receives her and initiates her into Sannyas. Not only he initiates her, he completely gives her the promise that “I’ll liberate you.” And as usual this orthodox Vedantic Sannyasis sitting around him, looking at him with lot of suspicious eyes and said, “What kind of a Sadhu you are? Not only you accepted her as a disciple, initiating her into Sannyas and promising that you will liberate her. What do you mean?” Then he gives his own explanation and finally he says, “Even all the things what you guys say are accepted and true, who else can save these people except me? If I say no, who is going to say yes for them?”
[00:10:02]
Alright. Okay. Let’s enter into the Sutras.
ईक्षतेर्न, अशब्दम् ॥ ५ ॥
īkṣaterna aśabdam
ईक्षतेर्न, अशब्दम् ॥ ५ ॥
īkṣaterna aśabdam
Swami Gambhirananda’s translation goes as: the Pradhāna of the Sankhyas is not the cause of the Universe, because it is not mentioned in the Upanishads, which fact is clear from the fact of seeing.
So Swami Vireswarananda translates as: on account of thinking, being attributed to the first cause by scriptures of Pradhāna, is not the first cause referred to by them; it Pradhāna is based on the scriptures. God!
[00:10:58]
I don’t know how many of you understood. It’s one of the important analysis. One of the great thing in the Brahma Sutras is, it is analysing the greatest problems like, what is the distance between sun and the moon, moon and the earth, and earth and the sun? All these kind of high level things are discussed in the same equal importance is given to the day to day problem like - ‘why the rice price is rising’. Please understand, Brahma Sutras is a very paradoxical book where in same Sutra that why the distance between sun and the moon is this much, and why the rice price is rising - both are discussed. An extraordinary philosophical discussion which is directly affecting the way you think about you and the life and your very existence.
[00:12:37]
Here the important problem which is being discussed is, whether origin is Consciousness or matter? Sankhyas. I can say, first human beings who started thinking, are Sankhyas. First man who started thinking is Kapila, who is the Master of Sankhya philosophy. I want all of you to know. We, the Nithyananda Sampradaya, originally belong to Kapila’s Sampradaya, Nirvani Akhada. We are senior than Vedic tradition. Understand, the Vedanta Sampradaya is Uttara Mimamsa. These Brahma Sutras are called Uttara Mimamsa Sutras. Before this, there is a Purva Mimamsa. Sankhya is more earlier philosophical system. I can say philosophy is not right word. Philosia. Because, word “Darshana” cannot be translated into philosophy. It can only translated to Philosia. Darshana means what is seen. In your inner awakening, what you experienced becomes Darshana. So when each Master has become enlightened, what He experienced, He pens it down, transmits as a Darshana.
[00:14:48]
So the first Darshana is Sankhya - senior most Darshana, the oldest Darshana, oldest thinking system, oldest cognition system, where the understanding about life, death, beyond life, after life or personal existence, Jiva means - individual Self, Ishvara - the ultimate Self - God, Jagat - the world. In Jagat - 2 part - nature and manmade - society. All these understandings and better way to relate with all these and coexist in a very friendly way - this is the purpose of all Darshanas. All Darshanas are created to know the deeper truths about these major subjects, with this understanding - flow with the life.
First Darshana is Sankhya. Unfortunately, followers of Sankhya philosophy has started moving out of Kapila. Whenever the followers move out of the founder, again the founder happens in another one form… followers go and prosecute the founder who is in another form.
[00:16:44]
I am really working very sincerely that should not happen to My commune and the flowers. Of course one fortunate thing is whatever I am talking is getting video recorded. So the losing the spirit can never happen. And not only that because I am going to be sitting in the body for a long time, the reproduction of the completely spiritually matured people is possible
[00:17:25]
Title
The Source - Matter or Consciousness? || Part 2 || Brahma Sutras || 07 March 2011
Description
Name of Convention: Brahma Sutras
Title: The Source: Matter or Consciousness? Part 2
Session on: Fifth Sutra, First Chapter of the Brahma Sutras; Is the Origin/ Source made up of Matter or Consciousness?
Date: 7 March 2011
Venue: Adi Kailasa, Bengaluru, Karnataka, India
In this video Supreme Pontiff of Hinduism HDH #Nithyananda Paramashivam sheds light on the Fifth Sutra of the First Chapter of the Brahma Sutras and on the eternal question; is Source/ Origin made up of matter or consciousness? In this video HDH Nithyananda Paramashivam shares the story about the argument of Vyasa and Shankara, the Author of the Brahma Sutras and the Commentator, on the origin of existence. He then goes into how, when Masters teach, there is an important difference between fact and technique. It makes all the difference in how we discern, understand and apply this and what our experience of it is.
This video is a pure gem for all who contemplate this statement: Is existence Consciousness or Matter?
The Supreme Pontiff of Hinduism Jagatguru Mahasannidhanam His Divine Holiness Nithyananda Paramashivam (HDH) is the reviver of #KAILASA - the ancient enlightened civilization and the great cosmic borderless Hindu nation. Revered as the incarnation of Paramashiva - the primordial Hindu Divinity, HDH has a following of 2 billion Hindus worldwide with de facto spiritual embassies in over 150 countries. He has worked untiringly for over 26 years for the revival of Kailasa, for global peace and to give super conscious breakthrough to humanity. He has survived the worst persecution of multiple assassination attempts on person and on character by anti-Hindu elements. He is collecting, organising, preserving, time capsuling, decoding, spreading and reviving 20 Million source books of Hinduism and the 64 sacred arts & sciences like Ayurveda, music, dance, sculpting, astrology, vastu and much more. Close to 20,000 hours of HDH’s timeless talks have been recorded till date (Sep 2020), which are a treasure trove of powerful cognitions to solve individual and global problems of any kind.
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Transcript:
[00:00:18]
Unfortunately, the followers of Kapila started moving out of Kapila. So, Vyasa has to give clarity. You need to know the background, only then you will understand why these Sutras, because this Sutra is directly hitting Sankhya philosophy. Then you may be surprised, what is this? And, Vyasa is attacking Kapila. Now what to do? Both of them are Incarnation of Vishnu.
[00:00:54]
Very beautifully Krishna says in Gita, “Among the Munis, I am Kapila!” And in the Stotra, Padmapada sings about the Vyasa.
शङ्करं शङ्कराचार्यं केशवं बादरायणम् |
सूत्रभाष्यकृतौ वन्दे भगवन्तौ पुनह् पुनः ||
śaṅkaraṃ śaṅkarācāryaṃ keśavaṃ bādarāyaṇam | sūtrabhāṣyakṛtau vande bhagavantau punah punaḥ ||
[00:01:29]
Shankara who is Incarnation of Shankaracharya, sorry, Shankaracharya who is Incarnation of Shankara; both one and the same, okay. 😃 Shankaracharya who is Incarnation of Shankara, Vyasa who is Incarnation of Narayana, if both of you are fighting, who is going to win? There was a debate. Vyasa Himself comes down to test the strength of Shankara. Debate starts on Brahma Sutra. Author and commentator are fighting. Vyasa is author, Shankara is commentator; both of them are arguing. Of course, nobody can judge. But if I can take the liberty, I’ll vote for Shankara, because the guy has given a really meaning to the whole Sutras. All the 1 or 2 uncut parts which Vyasa left, I don’t know why? Shankara has polished it. Shankara has made by His commentary, Brahma Sutras as more valuable diamond. I can say, He made it as a pure gold. He made it more user friendly.
[00:03:06]
So both of them are arguing. It goes on and on for 3 days. The poor disciples are sitting without food. So Padmapada suddenly realises what is going on And the old man who is arguing is Vyasa. But Vyasa did not reveal His identity, and this young guy who is not ready to give up is Shankara, who has a Lakshmi in His hand and Saraswati in the tongue, and Devi in His body language. How Shankara will lose? No way! Then Padmapada sings:
शङ्करं शङ्कराचार्यं केशवं बादरायणम् |
śaṅkaraṃ śaṅkarācāryaṃ keśavaṃ bādarāyaṇam |
Shankara Himself, Shiva Himself has come down as Shankaracharya. Vishnu Himself, Keshava Himself has come down as Badarayana, Vyasa. You are a Sutrakara and He is a Bhashyakara. The origin, the man who wrote the Sutra and man who is writing the commentary, both of them are fighting. Where it is going to end? So, Padmapada falls at the feet of both and says, “I bow down to both of you.” Then immediately Shankara realises, the person who is sitting in front of him is Sutrakara himself - Vyasa, Badarayana himself, Vyasa himself. Then he withdraws from the debate. Vyasa blesses him and says, “My son, I have come to test you, your capacity to establish the truth. I see you are a qualified person. I give You 16 more years from my life.” See the beauty. When a honest teacher comes to test his successor, when he sees the strength, immediately he says, “From my life, I give you 16 more years. You live for 16 more years and establish the philosophy you are teaching.”
[00:05:40]
This is the way actually our Hinduism was spreading. It was completely on a friendly, convincing debate. No fight. No sword. No bread, butter; killing through kindness - very cunning way of destroying, killing through kindness. Nothing was used. Simple, straightforward understanding, analysis.
So Kapila is also incarnation of Vishnu. As Krishna says, “Among the Munis, I am Kapila!” And Vyasa is also Vishnu’s Incarnation. So Krishna is Vishnu’s Incarnation, so Krishna says, “I am Kapila among the Munis.” And here, Vyasa is Krishna’s in... Vishnu’s incarnation. Naturally then, Vyasa is attacking Kapila! It’s almost like two Incarnations attacking each other. It cannot be. You need to understand… and especially our Sannyas Sampradaya belongs to Nirvani Akhada - Kapila’s tradition, and all our practices belongs to Vedanta Sampradaya - Shankara’s tradition. There cannot be any fight between these two. How can there be any fight between Kapila and Vyasa; because both of them are Incarnations of Vishnu. Surely Vyasa is not against Kapila, but Vyasa is against the misunderstanding of Kapila’s followers.
[00:08:00]
So one of the important question: whether origin of the Existence is Consciousness or matter? Sankhya takes the stand. See Kapila took the stand: origin of the Universe is matter, because, once you are made to understand whatever you call as Universe is from matter, you will renounce that, you will not be attracted too much towards it and go towards Consciousness. That idea was given more as a technique than as a fact! See when Masters teach, you should be very careful whether those ideas are given to you as a fact or technique. When Buddha says, “Again and again you will be born till you are enlightened,” when Christ says, “There is only one birth” - both of them have their own reason; they are not lying. Please understand, neither Christ nor Buddha is lying. They are not liars. Both of them have their own reason. Buddha is talking the fact, truth! Jesus is giving a technique! When He says, “Only one life is there,” He is inspiring you, pushing you to achieve the ultimate in this one life! Don’t postpone! When Buddha says, “There is multiple lives,” He is talking about the truth, the inner science.
[00:10:16]
So when Kapila says, “The origin of the Universe is matter,” He wants you to lose interest over the Universe. He does not want you to too much bother about it. But, when Vyasa says, “The origin of the Universe is Brahman, Existence, Consciousness,” He means there is no Universe, relax in Existence. Because out of Existence, nothing can come and become something else. If you are seeing something else, then relax from seeing. Final purpose of both: Vyasa and Kapila is - relax from being distracted. That’s it. Nothing else. So to serve that purpose, how to put the words? I can tell you from My experience, Universe is neither from matter nor from Consciousness because it does not come out. It has never come out. It does not exist. If you think you are seeing, something is wrong with your seeing. If you think something is going on in front of you now, something is wrong inside you. If you think something other than you exists, something is wrong inside you.
[00:12:22]
Sankhya: Kapila says, “Universe comes out of matter, don’t bother about it - Pradhana. Forget about it.” Vyasa says, “Origin of the Universe is Existence, so the Universe cannot be as you think other than Existence. So stop seeing it as other than Existence. Come back.”
[00:12:51]
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