March 11 2004

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You Connecting with The Universal Energy is Meditation (Radio Talk, Dallas)

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[00:14]

Swamiji: Totally it is a nine years and thousands of miles. It is not that continuously I walked. I walk to some place and stay the nights in the graveyards or under the tree or under some... near the forest. Then again next day I get up and get ready and again walk. It's like a wandering in search of enlightened Master to get a right spiritual guide to get a right spiritual Master. I was searching from practically village to village where I will… If I hear about anybody as an enlightened Master or spiritual person, I try to go near and live with him. So try to learn something from him. Just like that this search continued years, years together and it’s a beautiful life. In a way now when I look back people think that it’s a very hard thing, but it is not a hard life. It was more like a joy, it was more adventures, walking without bothering about the tomorrow or not knowing from where I will get the next meal. And touching no money and just living with the nature. That has got a its own joy or ecstasy in it.

[01:41]

Question: From there I think and that’s way you got …. Swamiji: .. knowledge Question: Different Swamiji: There is beautiful saying by western philosopher, “The man who travels more knows more”. So…

[01:53]

Question: Yes, and that the way you got to know more but again you, you got Enlightened after that trip? Swamiji: Yes, after the trip, it’s a intense tapas. Finally the final experience or the ultimate consciousness happened, flowering of consciousness happened in January 2000. It is after the wandering the Enlightenment happened. Of course, after the enlightenment I stayed in one place for more than nine months to settle inside the body to settle from that experience.

[02:36]

Question: Very nice… Well okay, for a person say that the book it said that you were born at 12:32 January 1st 1978 and again the reminded that, that you have given us, I mean it the teachings at I heard so many people talk about. What we will do at the top of the hour we will take a break at 3 o’clock. I have about a minute left on that. Welcome back its rival 3:05 am presentation of Asian media worldwide. My name is Vishnu and this is essential of the Vishnu show for the stage the March 11th and again it is indeed an honor to have Swamiji here with me in this studio. I have Swami Nithyananda, Sri Nithyananda Swamiji and it's an honor to have you here again and before the break we talk about the meditation and even presentation. Before we go into that I want to know about people saying things happen to you in this lifetime because of things that happened in the past lifetime. You know do we have any control over all this?

[03:49]

Swamiji: Sure, our present is present because of our past decisions. Our present is nothing but the totality of all our past decisions. So, when our present is the totality of the past decisions, why not our future be the totality of this decision, decisions which we are going to make now. The future is going to be the totality of the decisions which we make now. So, every moment we consciously choose everything. The choices which we make in the outer world and in the inner world only is going to make our destiny, very clearly destiny is simply in our hand. The old idea, ‘we are in the destiny’s hand’ no more exists or holds good. The clear experience not only of Me, so many spiritual Masters says ‘destiny is in our hand’. You can see even logically - our present moment is the totality of the past decisions, so naturally our future moments are going to be the totality of the present decisions. Present decisions can lead destiny. Present decisions can change, alter, transform the past.

[05:10]

Question: So, we control it? Swamiji: Yes. Question: Okay Swamiji, I know that a lot of people are looking at their lives today and a lot of it… I know a lot of people go into the meditation part of it but some people you know… there are so many different types of meditation that you hear about. Okay, I know that you are very big in meditation. Can you let our listeners know the meditation technique.

[05:42]

Swamiji: I can speak, I can give a small introduction about the meditation. There is a Universal energy which moves the Sun, Moon, Planet Earth, the whole World. And there is a individual energy which moves our body. Making connection or relationship with the Universal energy is what I call Meditation. Individual energy when it relates or when it connects itself with the Universal energy it gets totally rejuvenated. It gets a new dimension, it goes to the new space, it tastes the new bliss. The technique to relate with the Universal consciousness only what I call Meditation technique. There are thousands of meditation technique, hundreds of methods. So, you can try with any one technique it's not that one technique is good or one technique is bad. For some people some technique clicks, for some people some other technique works. So there are hundreds of meditation techniques which are available even from our website, you can see any one technique start; when you start try with one or two techniques. You don’t have to stick to one technique immediately. Try one, try one technique for three days or four days. Then another one technique for three days or four days, once you try three, four techniques you will see which technique exactly suits you. Which makes you feel more comfortable, which gives you direct experience - that’s the right technique. In one or two experiments itself you can, you will be able to very exactly catch the technique which is suitable for you.

[07:28]

As far as Me concerned I give a meditation technique called Maha mantra, which is available in our website. That is the first technique, initial level technique for all I prescribe. It is a simple humming. It doesn’t need any faith or any prerequisites; directly you can start. Any person who has got a simple logic or who ready… who is ready to believe the facts and figures, you can start this meditation. There is no need to have any faith on any God or any Guru for this simple meditation technique. That is the first step I prescribe for everyone.

[08:06]

Question: And again they can get more about that on the website? Swamiji: Yes.. Question: Dhyanapeetam, Dhyanapeetam.org and you can get more information on that. I know a lot of thing that you’ve been doing over the last few years is healing through meditation and so many people that has gone through doctors, doctors have seen them and can’t figure out what is wrong and I know you’ve been healing people around the world. Can you tell us where the power is?

[08:46]

Swamiji: In our human body there is seven energy centers which we call chakras. Not only Hindus almost all the great religions talk about these chakras, energy centers. Now in modern day “The Kirlian Photography” which is practiced widely in the Russia. Russian Technology Kirlian Photography is the... just like x-ray they diagnose the people six months before. Six months before the disease comes into the physical body the disease can be diagnosed by this photography. It photographs the Auric body, the light body of the man and diagnosis even the fatal diseases like cancer. So, through this photography now they proved the existence of seven chakras. Existence of seven chakras is proved by this photography.

[09:39]

Whenever some one chakra is more active or less active, if the imbalance happens in some one chakra that causes disease. These energy centers, these chakras only manage our physical, mental, spiritual, emotional activities. When some one of these centers get imbalanced naturally the man falls sick. So, if the energy centers can be activated, energized by meditation, if they themself meditate and activate those energy centers it is called self-healing. In some people’s case the disease is too much, it has grown too much and the people also may not be able to do the right meditation. So, at that type of time, the person who already mastered the meditation, who has become Enlightened, he can meditate and give the energy to that person.

[10:41]

When we meditate and give that energy to that chakra, to that person he gets healed. If the meditation is done by somebody properly, the energy can be created and be given. If he himself does the meditation and gets healed it is self-healing. If somebody else does the meditation and gives the energy to him it is healing. We may ask, can energy be given? According to Einstein, “Whatever exists is energy.” So, energy is subtle matter, matter is subtle energy. When matter can be given, when I can give this kerchief, when I can give something, some audio cassette to you, why not energy? So, when matter can be given, energy can also be given. A right method and right technique is the only thing necessity for energy to be given. It is not that I only heal. We have, I may, I tried by divine grace to make this healing as a system scientific system.

[11:41]

Because in ancient days it was practiced as a system. It’s a inner science. I always tell the people just like a outer science is a science, in outer science you can prove A+B is C, the same way in inner science also things are readable, provable facts. Just like a Newton’s Theory, theory speaks about the gravity, gravitation force, you can prove the force of levitation, the spirituality I call levitation. The outer science is gravitation, inner science is levitation. It can be very clearly proved. So the, not only I practice, around the world more than 700 people have been initiated as healer. They have been trained and initiated as a healers. 200 centers we have around the world. All the five continents have got our centers to spread meditation and healing.

[12:38]

Per day average 3000 people are touched by our healers totally. And as on now millions and millions of people have been touched by this spiritual healing, by this meditation. Lot of doctors who did research on this healing, I have given a beautiful articles and research reports and many, many, many testimonials by the doctors themselves. Already we have more than 60 doctors, MD doctors as our healers, who took training in our healing initiation, healing system. And there are many doctors who practice healing to their patients. So they say, if a patient takes 11 days to get well by medication, simple medication, if he is given meditation also along with medication healing also along with meditation, along with the medication he takes only three days. There are doctors who did research on this and their report says it takes hardly three days. So, 11 days of recovering is happening only in three days along with the healing. So, in ancient days we need to have faith or belief. Now I say there is no need to have faith or belief; just see, that’s enough. Just if you can see with open eyes, things are proved, things have come into the form of facts and figures.

[14:10]

Question: ……inaudible…. for medical doctors to be healers now you know it was the same concept how powerful it is? Speaking of doctors, I know you are on your way back to Oklahoma and you’ve been doing some tests over there. Can you tell our audience what that’s all about? Swamiji: The group of a doctors and scientists who are working on the mind body. They have a group who work on the mind body. They do lot research for past 30 years. They came to see Me just to have a friendly discussion. So, in the course of discussion I was talking about enlightenment and the experience of enlightenment and experience of meditation. They were asking ‘Swamiji can it all be proved neurologically? If we test neurologically can, can it show the difference in your neurological system?” I welcomed them and I agreed to undergo the neurological tests, so then they took PET scan, twice they took PET scan at the time of meditation and at normal time. And again, EEG twice they did EEG, at the time of meditation and at the time of normal time, normal mood. The total report is yet to come but the preliminary report itself, the initial observation itself according to the doctors, they say stunning. That is the word they used “Stunning”

[15:41]

Question: So, when you went into the meditation mode and they did they did brain scan Swamiji: Yes… Question: And what, what was it that they… Swamiji: The brain scan, the EEG and PET scan, they say some six, seven things new discovery. First thing when a meditation was happening, they say the whole neurological system is totally shut down, totally silenced, except the one portion the front portion which is something to do with intelligence, except that portion, the intelligent portion, all other portions - portion something to do with visualization part, which is supposed to be related to the hearing, all other sensory portions, everything else is shut and everything else is totally in silence. Only this portion is active five times more than ordinary human beings. Five times more than ordinary human beings and there are few more things which they have discovered. Just by a mere will the whole mind is switched off. The graph of EEG shows a clear difference, almost the line is… the line of, graph line has become silent.

[17:08]

And some more things, they are working on some more things, the… how the thoughts raise, through the pictures they raised, they… They are showing in normal mind, the picture, the thoughts jump, from color to color. They are actually trying to put the whole graph into a form of colors. So, they say sometimes it goes from green to red, red to yellow, yellow to white. It jumps from here to there, there to here. But with My mind after testing, they say it’s a just like a rainbow not in one picture or two picture more than 100 pictures shows a clear rainbow, thought with awareness is happening. And some more discoveries they are coming with some more discoveries. Just by a mere will, the pleasure chemical dopamine is released into the system, so that the outer joy is not necessary. A person who meditates, for him the inner pleasure itself is so joyful the inside itself creates such an ecstasy, there is no need for outer pleasure. So, all these basic things they are proving and they are coming up with some more new discoveries and some more tests. The again tomorrow we are having some more research on this line.

[18:35]

People tell Me, “Swamiji, you have done a great service to the…. our Eastern wisdom by proving all these things in the form of facts and figures.” But I tell you all, it is not the question of service. it is a question of survival. If we are not going to prove all this Eastern mysticism, all these spiritual things in the form of facts and figures it is not going to survive. All of you know your kids don’t listen anymore about the spirituality. If you try to tell your kids about spirituality or about our religion whether Hindu or Muslim or Christian, when you try to tell about our religion to the kids, they are not ready to listen. They say, “mom you do, dad you go, don’t call me.” So, if they are not proved, if they are not given enough of proof. Our great ancient Masters, our Rishi’s, our Sages our Saints, they are all not fools. The lifestyle or the way of living which is created by them has got a solid truth in it, has got a solid proof for everything. So, unless we prove all these things, our kids are not going to listen to the great teachings or great life style of Eastern mystics or the Rishi’s. So it is not the question of service, it is a question of survival. We have to prove to the whole world the power of meditation or the power of spirituality. Unless it is proved it will die. So, we are here to prove it.

[20:10]

Question: And you have, I am sure everyone or they appreciate you doing that you know so that it will live on. You know and to be living on for generations to come because this has been around for thousands of years and you know the way of the computer age you know everything has to be proved. Swamiji: Yes… Unless it is brought in the form of facts people are not going to listen. Doubt is going to be the language of the future. ‘Believe me or have faith’ all these words have become outdated. We cannot spread anything in the future using the words, ‘have faith in me, have belief in me.’ These words are not going to work, “SEE” is the only word which is going to work; the future language is going to be seeing, not believing 😀. So, it has to be brought in the form of facts and figures.

[21:00]

Question: So, Swamiji again we wanted everyone go on today the website and get more information about this. Again its Dhyanapeetam.org or you could go on to Swamisworld.com. And also Swami, you not only go to Oklahoma but you going on to other places also and you’re gonna be in New York and New jersey. And you goanna be there from the 16, 17,18 to 19 doing the discourses and then you’re going to be doing ASP and that was the Ananda Spurana program. And thats on the 20th and 21st. And then you’re gonna have the Healers on the the 22nd of March and then on the 23rd, 24th, 25th, 26th you're gonna be in Columbus, Ohio and then you can do the ASP on the 27th ,28th and then on 29th. Okay Swamiji we know you have a very, very, very busy… I have about 35 seconds left. Swamiji: Yes… Question: I do really appreciate you taking the time and I know your schedule is so tight and our listeners out there do appreciate you coming on. Swamiji: Thank you. Question: And sharing your wisdom. Swamiji: Yes, Thank you. Question: And we wish you all the best for the testing that’s going on. Swamiji: Thank you. Question: And we know it’s going to be a breakthrough for generations to come. Swamiji: Yes, Thank you. Let you all have the meditation and have eternal bliss-Nithya ananda. Thank you. Question: Thank you again Swami.

[22:40]

Title

Healing through Meditation || Part 1 || Radio Interview || 11 March 2004

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Title: Healing through Meditation Part 1 Sessions on: Radio Talk Interview Venue: Dallas Texas USA Date: 11 March 2004

In this video the SPH JGM Bhagavan Nithyananda Paramashivam is interviewed on the Vishnu Radio Talk show from Dallas Texas. Various spiritual topics are discussed in this casual interview.

The Supreme Pontiff of Hinduism Jagatguru Mahasannidhanam Nithyananda Paramashivam is the reviver of #KAILASA - the ancient enlightened civilization and the great cosmic borderless Hindu nation. Revered as the incarnation of Paramashiva - the primordial Hindu Divinity, HDH has a following of 2 billion Hindus worldwide with de facto spiritual embassies in over 150 countries. He has worked untiringly for over 26 years for the revival of Kailasa, for global peace and to give super conscious breakthrough to humanity. He has survived the worst persecution of multiple assassination attempts on person and on character by anti-Hindu elements. He is collecting, organising, preserving, time capsuling, decoding, spreading and reviving 20 Million source books of Hinduism and the 64 sacred arts & sciences like Ayurveda, music, dance, sculpting, astrology, vastu and much more. Close to 20,000 hours of HDH’s timeless talks have been recorded till date (Sep 2020), which are a treasure trove of powerful cognitions to solve individual and global problems of any kind.

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(0:15)

Radio Host: A presentation of Asian media worldwide. I have a very special guest in this studio here with me. Just a glimpse of a brief stuff from here. It say He is a doctor to the sick, a guide to the seeker, an ocean of knowledge, a wellspring of compassion, modern is His outlook, pragmatic is His approach, timeless is His message, universal is His opinion. I am talking about no other than Shri Nityananda Swamiji who is visiting us all the way from India and I am so glad to have Him here and just give you a little background about Him.

(01:09)

He had a calling from birth actually and actually for me, it is the youngest Swami I have ever seen and you know, the knowledge that He has in this 26 year old body is what I see in people with 80 and 90 years old. You know, the knowledge that He has already attained and the things that He has accomplished in this 26 years of He has been on this earth. He says “Enlightenment is the result of Tapas, the single minded pursuit of truth wherein you lose yourself in the self, individual consciousness disappear into the universal consciousness and you become that. It is the no mind experience. Out of this, ecstasy and energy are born. This energy is what I harness to help humanity to blossom physically, mentally, spiritually and economically to attain Nithyananda.”

(02:13)

Radio host: Swamiji, Namaste Swamiji: Namaskar Radio host: And welcome come to xxxx Swamiji: Thank you Radio host: And welcome to Dallas. Swamiji: Thank you. Radio host: I know you have a very very hectic schedule. You are in a different city everyday travelling it all across the United States and again on behalf of the people of Dallas, we welcome You. Swamiji: Thank you, I accept.

(02:39)

Radio host: And you know, like… we were talking about some of the stuff, reading your book- the autobiography. Very very good book. If anyone has not got it, you need to go on to the website. It is Dhyanapeetam.org and the book is called the “Formless in form” and it is a pictorial biography of Swamiji. And Swamiji is very big with meditation and healing through meditation and we are going to talk a little about that but I want to know first, how I know, at the age of 17 You did a lot of walking for right across India. How many miles was that? How many years was that?

(03:37)

Swamiji: Totally it is a nine years and thousands of miles. It’s not that continuously I walked, I walked to some place and stay the nights in the graveyards or under the tree or under some…. near the forests and again next day I get up and get ready and again walk. It’s like a wandering in search of Enlightened Master, to get a right spiritual guide, to get a right spiritual Master I was searching from practically, from village to village where I, if I will hear about anybody as an Enlightened Master or a spiritual person, I try to go near and live with him. So try to learn something from him. Just like that, the search continued years, years together and it's a beautiful life. In a way, now when I look back, people think that it’s a very hard thing but it is not a hard life. It was more like a joy. It was more adventurous: walking without bothering about the tomorrow or not knowing from where I will get the next meal and touching no money and just living with the nature. That has got its own joy or ecstasy in it.

(05:03)

Radio host: And I think that's where You got…. Swamiji: Knowledge and wisdom. That is a beautiful saying by western philosopher-“The man who travels more knows more.” So.... Radio host: That's how you got to know more but again You got Enlightened after the trip? Swamiji: Yes, after the trip. It is a intense tapas. Finally the final experience or the ultimate Consciousness happened. Flowering of Consciousness happened in January 2000. It is after the wandering, the Enlightenment happened. Of course, after the Enlightenment, I stayed in one place for more than nine months to settle inside the body, to settle from that experience.

(05:58)

Radio host: Very nice. Again, for a person who read the book, it says that You were born at 12:32 January 1st 1978 and again the mind that, that You have given us and the teachings I have heard so many people talking about. What we will do, at the top of the hour, we will take a break at 3 o'clock. I have about a minute left and then, when we come back after the break, we are going to talk about meditation and healing through meditation, You know, which has touched a lot of people, a lot of people around the world, not only in India. Okay and then we are going to talk about why You are in Oklahoma, okay?

(06:48)

Radio host: Again, you are listening to the regional show right here and XXXX and we are very, very blessed to have Sri Nithyananda Swamiji here with us and again if you are out there and someone wants to know more about meditation, just pickup the phone call and tell them to tune on in because when we come back after the hour break, we will….Swami will enlighten us along that line. I’m going to be right back.

(7:20)

Title

Healing through Meditation || Part 2 || Radio Interview || 11 March 2004

Description

Title: Healing through Meditation Part 2 Sessions on: Radio Talk Interview Venue: Dallas Texas USA Date: 11 March 2004

In this video the Supreme Pontiff of Hinduism HDH #Nithyananda Paramashivam is interviewed on the Vishnu Radio Talk show from Dallas Texas. Various spiritual topics are discussed in this casual interview.

The SPH JGM Bhagavan Nithyananda Paramashivam is the reviver of #KAILASA - the ancient enlightened civilization and the great cosmic borderless Hindu nation. Revered as the incarnation of Paramashiva - the primordial Hindu Divinity, HDH has a following of 2 billion Hindus worldwide with de facto spiritual embassies in over 150 countries. He has worked untiringly for over 26 years for the revival of Kailasa, for global peace and to give super conscious breakthrough to humanity. He has survived the worst persecution of multiple assassination attempts on person and on character by anti-Hindu elements. He is collecting, organising, preserving, time capsuling, decoding, spreading and reviving 20 Million source books of Hinduism and the 64 sacred arts & sciences like Ayurveda, music, dance, sculpting, astrology, vastu and much more. Close to 20,000 hours of HDH’s timeless talks have been recorded till date (Sep 2020), which are a treasure trove of powerful cognitions to solve individual and global problems of any kind.

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Transcript:

(0:15)

Radio Host: Welcome back. It is 3:05 presentation of Asia media world wide. My name is Vishnu and this is the second hour of the Vishnu show March 11th and again, it is indeed an honor to have Swamiji here with me in the studio. I have Swami Nithyanand, Sri Nithyanand Swamiji and it’s an honor to have You here again. Before the break, we talked about the meditation and healing through meditation. Before we go into that, I want to know about people say things happen to you in this lifetime because of things that happened in the past lifetime. You know, do we have any control about our destiny?

(01:02)

Swamiji: Sure. Our present is present because of our past decisions. Our present is nothing but the totality of all our past decisions. So when our present is the totality of the past decisions, why not our future be totality of the decisions which we are going to make now? The future is going to be the totality of the decisions which we make now. So every moment we consciously choose everything. The choices which we make in the outer world and in the inner world only is going to make our destiny. Very clearly destiny is simply in our hand. The old idea destiny…. we are in destiny's hand no more exists or holds good. The clear experience not only of Me, so many spiritual masters says destiny is in our hand. You can see even logically. Our present moment is the totality of the past decisions. So naturally our future moments are going to be the totality of the present decisions. Present decisions can lead to destiny. Present decisions can change, alter, transform the past.

(02:23)

Radio Host: So, you control them? Swamiji: Yes Radio Host: Ok Swamiji, I know that a lot of people, you know, looking at what the life today and a lot of people are going to do meditation part of it, but some people you know, there are so many different types of meditation that you hear about. Ok I know that You are very big at meditation. Can You address us now the meditation that You do?

(02:54)

Swamiji: I can give a small introduction about the meditation. There is a Universal Energy which moves the sun, moon, planet earth and the whole world and there is a individual energy which moves our body. Making connection or relationship with the Universal Energy is what I call meditation. Individual energy when it relates or when it connects itself with the Universal Energy, it gets totally rejuvenated. It gets a new dimension. It goes to the new space. It tastes the new bliss. The technique to relate with the Universal Consciousness only what I call meditation technique.

(03:42)

There are thousands of meditation technique, hundreds of methods. So you can try with any one technique. It is not that one technique is good or one technique is bad. For some people, some technique clicks. For some people, some other technique works. So, there are hundreds of meditation techniques which are available even from our website. You can see any one technique start when you start. Try with one or two techniques. You don't have to stick to one technique immediately. Try one technique for three days or four days. Then another one technique for three days or four days. Once you try three-four techniques, you will see which technique exactly suits you. Which makes you feel more comfortable, which gives you direct experience, that is the right technique.

(04:34)

In one or two experiments itself, you can be… you will be able to very exactly catch the technique which is suitable for you. As for as Me concerned, I give a meditation technique called Mahamantra. It’s available in our website. That is the first technique- initial level technique for all I prescribe. It is a simple humming. It doesn't need any faith or any prerequisites. Directly you can start. Any person who has got a simple logic or who is ready to believe the facts and figures, he can start this meditation. There is no need to have any faith on any god or any guru for this simple meditation technique. That is the first step I prescribe for everyone.

(05:18)

Radio Host: And again, they can get more about that on the website Dhyanapeetam.org. You can get more information on that. The other thing that You have been doing in the last few years is hidden true meditation and so many people that has gone through doctors, doctors are seeing them and can't figure out what is wrong and I know You have been healing people around the world. Can You tell us more?

(05:58)

Swamiji: In our human body, there is a seven energy centers which we call chakras. Not only Hindus, almost all the great religions talk about these chakras, energy centers. Now in modern day, the Kirlian photography which is practiced widely in the Russia, the Russian Technology, Kirlian photography is the… just like X Ray, they diagnose the people six months before. Six months before the disease comes into the physical body, the disease can be diagnosed by this photography. It photographs the auric body, the life body of the man and diagnoses even the fatal diseases like cancer. So through this photography, now they proved the existence of seven chakras. Existence of seven chakras is proved by this photography.

(06:51)

Whenever some one chakra is more active or less active, if the imbalance happens in some one chakra, that causes disease. These energy centers, these chakras only manage our physical, mental, spiritual, emotional activities. When some one of these centers get imbalanced, naturally the man falls sick. So if the energy centers can be activated, energized by meditation, if they themselves meditate and activate those energy centers, it is called self healing. In some people’s case, the disease is too much. It has grown too much and the people also may not be able to do the right meditation. So at that type of time, the person who already mastered the meditation, who has become enlightened, he can meditate and give the energy to that person. When we meditate and give that energy to that chakra, to that person, he gets healed. If the meditation is done by somebody properly, the energy can be created and be given. If he himself does the meditation and gets healed, it is self healing. If somebody else does the meditation and gives the energy to him, it is healing.

(08:15)

We may ask, “Can energy be given?” According to Einstein, whatever exists is energy. So energy is subtle matter; matter is subtle energy. When matter can be given, when I can give this kerchief, when I can give something, some audio cassette to you, why not energy? So, when matter can be given, energy can also be given. A right method and right technique is the only thing necessity for energy to be given. It is not that I only heal. I tried, by divine grace, to make this healing as a system, scientific system because in ancient days, it was practiced as a system. It is the inner science. I always tell the people, just like a outer science is a science. In outer science you can prove a + b is c. The same way, in inner science also things are readable, provable facts. Just like a Newton's theory, theory which speaks about the gravity, gravitational force, you can prove the force of levitation. The spirituality I call levitation. The outer science is gravitation; inner science is levitation.

(09:29)

It can be very clearly proved so the… not only I practiced, around the world, more than seven hundred people have been initiated as healer. They have been trained and initiated as healers. Two hundred centres we have around the world. All the five continents have got our centres to spread meditation and healing. Per day average three thousand people are touched by our healers totally and as on now, millions and millions of people have been touched by this spiritual healing, by this meditation. Lot of doctors who did research on this healing have given beautiful articles and research reports and many, many, many testimonials by the doctors themselves.

(10:21)

Already we have more than sixty doctors, MD doctors as our healers who took training in our healing initiation, healing system and there are many doctors who practice healing to their patients. So they say, if a patient takes eleven days to get well by medication, simple medication, if he is given meditation also along with medication, healing also along with meditation…along with the medication, he takes only three days. There are doctors who did research on this and their report says it takes hardly three days. So eleven days of recovering is happening only in three days along with the healing. So in ancient days we need to have faith or belief. Now I say, there is no need to have faith or belief. Just see. That is enough. Just if you can see with open eyes, things are proved. Things have come into the form of facts and figures.

(11:22)

Radio Host: Many of the American doctors have become healers now. How far it is? Speaking of doctors, I know You are on Your way back to Oklahoma and You have been doing some test. Can You tell our audience what is that’s all about? (11:40) Swamiji: A group of doctors and scientists who are working on the mind-body. They have a group who work on mind-body. They do lot of research for past thirty years. They came to see Me just to have a friendly discussion. So in the course of discussion, I was talking about Enlightenment and the experience of Enlightenment and experience of meditation. They were asking, “Swamiji, can it all be proved neurologically? If we test neurologically, can it show the difference in your neurological system?” I welcomed them and agreed to undergo neurological tests. So, then they took pet scan. Twice they took pet scan: at the time of meditation and at normal time. And again EEG. Twice they did EEG: at the time of meditation and at the time of normal time, normal mood. The total report is yet to come but the preliminary report itself, the initial observation itself according to the doctors, they say “stunning.” That is the word they used- “stunning.”

(12:53)

Radio Host: So when you went into the meditation mood and they did the brain scan and what was it that they…

(13:01)

Swamiji: The brain scan, the EEG and pet scan. They say some six-seven things new discovery. First thing, when meditation was happening, they say the whole neurological system is totally shut down, totally silenced except the one portion- the front portion which is something to do with intelligence. Except that portion the intelligent portion, all other portion, portion something to do with visualisation, part which is supposed to be related to the hearing, all other sensory portions, everything else is shut and everything else is totally in silence. Only this portion is active five times more than ordinary human beings, five times more than ordinary human beings…. and there are few more things which they have discovered. Just by a mere will, the whole mind is switched off. The graph of EEG shows a clear difference. Almost the line is… the line of graph line has become silent and some more things. They are working on some more things.

(14:26)

How the thoughts rise. Through the pictures they rise. They are showing in normal mind, the thoughts jump from colour to colour. They are actually trying to put the whole graph into a form of colours. So they say sometimes it goes from green to red, red to yellow, yellow to white. It jumps from here to there, there to here but with My mind, after testing they say, it’s just like a rainbow. Not in one picture or two picture, more than hundred picture shows a clear rainbow, thought with awareness is happening and some more discoveries, they are coming with some more discoveries. The… just by a mere will, the pleasure chemical dopamine is released into the system so that the outer joy is not necessary. A person who meditates, for him, the inner pleasure itself is so joyful, inside itself creates such an ecstasy there is no need for outer pleasure.

(15:34)

So all these basic things they are proving and they are coming up with some more new discoveries and some more tests. Again tomorrow we are having some more research on this line. People tell Me, “Swamiji, You have done a great service to our Eastern wisdom by proving all these things in the form of facts and figures but I tell you all, it is not the question of service. It is a question of survival. If we are not going to prove all these Eastern mysticism, all these spiritual things in the form of facts and figures, it is not going to survive.

(16:11)

All of you know your kids don't listen anymore about the spirituality. If you try to tell your kids about spirituality or about our religion, whether Hindu or Muslim or Christian, when you try to tell about our religion to the kids, they are not ready to listen. They say, “Mom you do. Dad you go. Don't call me,” so if they are not proved, if they are not given enough of proof. Our great Ancient Masters, our Rishis, our Sages, our Saints, they are all not fools. The lifestyle or the way of living which is created by them has got a solid truth in it, has got a solid proof for everything. So, unless we prove all these things, our kids are not going to listen to the great teachings or great lifestyle of Eastern Mystics or the Rishis. So, it is not the question of service, it is the question of survival. We have to prove to the whole world the power of meditation or the power of spirituality. Unless it is proved, it will die. So we are here to prove it.

(17:22)

Radio Host: And I am sure everyone out there appreciates You doing that you know, so that it could live on. You know, I never believe in on for generations to come because this has been around for thousands of years and you know, the way the computer age you know, everything has to be proved.

(17:41)

Swamiji: Yes, unless it is brought in the form of facts, people are not going to listen. The doubt is going to be the language of the future. ‘Believe me’ or ‘have faith’- all these words have become outdated. We cannot spread anything in the future using the words ‘Have faith in me,’ ‘Have belief in me’- these words are not going to work. “See”, is the only word which is going to work. The future language is going to be seeing, not believing. So it has to be brought in the form of facts and figures.

(18:12)

Radio Host: Swamiji, again, You want to tell everyone go on today the website and get more information about this and again it is Dhyanapeetam.org or you could go on to swamisworld.com and Swami, you are going to Oklahoma you go onto other places also and You are going to be in New York and New Jersey. You are going to be there from the 16th, 17th, 18th and 19th doing discourses and then, You are going to be doing the ASP. That is the Ananda Spurana program and that is on the 20th and 21st and You are going to have the healers on the 22nd of March and then on the 23rd, 24th, 25th and 26th, You are going to be in Columbus, Ohio and You are going to do the ASP on 27th, 28th and then on 29th. Okay so Swamiji, we know You have a very, very, very busy. I have about thirty five seconds left. I do really appreciate You taking the time and I know Your schedule is so tight and our listeners do appreciate You coming and sharing Your wisdom.

(19:33)

Swamiji: Yes, thank you. Radio host: And we wish You all the best for the test that is going on. We know it is going to be a breakthrough for generations to come. Swamiji: Yes, thank you. So let you all have the meditation and have Eternal Bliss Nithya Ananda. Thank you. Radio Host: Thank you again Swamiji.

(19:58)