March 02 2004

Title:

Avatar With Kids- Playful Q & A || Part 1 || Initiation Into Powerful Cognitions || 02 March 2004

Transcript:

(0:16)

(Swamiji reads a kid’s question) What is necessary to stop the reincarnation cycle? Already you are bored of life?

(0:24)

Kid: No, I just want to know what it...

(0:30)

Swamiji: One thing, the stopping reincarnation cycle, all these things are more or less like philosophical. People who already lived enough, people who are bored, people who are tired or depressed, these questions are from them. From old people. I tell you, this very question shouldn’t appear in your mind. If the question appears in your mind, the first thing you need to do is to repair your mind, not to answer this question, to repair your mind. There is something lacking in your mind. So never allow this question itself to appear.

(01:15)

You are supposed to know, ask how to live the life more joyfully. How to live the life more joyfully. How to face the life more beautifully with more courage, with more balance, with more centeredness. So never bother about this question. The very question is from sickness. The very question, “What is necessary to stop the reincarnation cycle” is from sickness. You feel sick of the life. You feel sick of taking birth and death again and again. That’s not going to...the very idea that life is sickness is from elders. Just because those fools are sick, don’t think that life is sick. I tell you, really. Life is not sick just because those fools are sick.

(02:04)

Never think just because your father-mother fight, the life is fighting. Life is something more beautiful. In this age, catch the knack or catch the ...it is actually...even meditation is not a big thing to be done, everyday that you will close your eyes and sit and do. You have not those things. It is just a knack, like a game. You see, first one or two days, when you start playing, you have to learn even cycling. To drive bicycle, first few days you have to learn. Once you catch the knack, then you can just you don’t need to do anything. Just you can fly. Just like that intelligence or the life is just a knack. It is a knack.

(02:54)

Whenever you come to low mood or low energy, whenever you feel you are stressed, you are in trouble, manage how to deal it. Learn how to manage the things whenever the situation forces you, whenever the life puts too much on you or life expects too much from you. Know how to manage the situation, that’s all. Now, as on now, what you do, you connect all your disturbances and think the whole life is nothing but disturbance. You understand? Am I right? You connect all your disturbances, when all you are disturbed, what all moments you are depressed, what all moments you are stressed, what all the moments you didn’t feel happy-you connect all those moments and think the whole life is nothing but a big chain of stress. That is why you think how to stop the life and death cycle, how to stop the rebirth.

(04:00)

Never think it is a simple, old idea. Don’t work for stopping reincarnation. Work for how to stop the depression, how to face the situation more balanced way, how to cope up with our mind. Your mind is continuously bombarded with desires and so much of desires are sent inside your mind from outside. Just learn the knack or the method how to work out which is right desire and wrong desire. Next, how to create the right desire. Over! Learn these simple things to live Ma, not the great philosophical things to stop the reincarnation cycle, all these, that things.

(04:50)

Next question. (Swamiji reads a question): What is Hinduism stands on evolution? Whose question it is?

(05:00)

Hinduism doesn’t says, Hinduism never accepts evolution. It says we are descendant of gods. Evolution means according to Darwin, we grew or we are the outcome of chimpanzee or monkey but according to Hinduism, not only Hinduism, according to truth, we have come down from the divine level. We are not grown up from the animal level. We have come down from the divine level. Our original nature is supposed to be divine. So we are supposed to go back to that nature. One thing, if you have grown out of animal, your ideal or your forefathers are...who are your forefathers? Who are your forefathers? Chimpanzee is your forefather. Am I right? Speak out.

(05:59)

Kid: Swami, I don’t understand how you can say that we came from above considering all these? How you deal with all that factual truth that they have?

(06:11)

Swamiji: I am coming to the factual proof only but now, this point you understand that if you say you have evolved from animals, who is your forefather?

(06:28)

Kid: Hinduism stresses that God is in everything. I don't understand why it is so bad...

(06:34)

Swamiji: No, let us not go to the intellectual other ideas. Let us be clear of this idea. Just answer Me. Who is your forefather according to evolution theory?

(06:47)

Kid: It is essentially the apes. It is big group from apes…

(06:59)

Swamiji: No, I am not able to understand what you are saying.

(07:01)

Devotees: Apes, gorilla, monkeys.

(07:05)

Swamiji: Chimpanzees. From the monkeys. Once you know your forefathers are monkeys, how is it possible for you to evolve? Once you think your forefathers are from that source, you have no higher ideal. You have no higher ideal. There are two things you need to understand. Fact and truth. Fact is about the past; truth is about the future. So if you say, if you understand, according to Darwin’s theory, your forefathers are chimpanzees, you will be satisfied with the level which you are living. ‘Oh! We are much more than chimpanzees! Nothing much to be done.’ Only when you understand you are from divine, you are asking for the facts and proofs. You just look back little bit. Our forefathers were never chimpanzees. They were Rishis.

(08:07)

Only in the West, you are taught from the young age, our forefathers are animals. In the East, you are always given the idea, not only idea, truth: your forefathers are Rishis, you are able to do everything. Just by the thought, just by the word, just by the one kshana, kshana means the...in one second, one moment, they could create a world or destroy a world. Don’t think all these things are stories. There are so many proofs. Today they are proving atomic bomb existed in the name of Bramhastra. What you think as Bramhastra in the...what you heard, what you hear in the name of Brahmastra in Mahabharata is atomic bomb because in the Kurukshetra, they tested the sand.

(08:56)

There is very clear proof that atomic war has happened in that place. The place where the Mahabharata Yuddha happened, in that place, they have tested the sand. The same effect of Hiroshima, Nagasaki is found there. So whatever our ancient masters had, those science is not a simple thing. If you look even factually, our forefathers are God. Our forefathers were divine. It is from them we descended. It is from them we came down. So real ideal is not the chimpanzee but the God. So Hinduism speaks, Hinduism very clearly proves, not only speaks, very clearly proves, you have come down from the God or the Rishis or the Enlightened ones. Your ideal is supposed to go back to that state.

(09:56)

Kid: So what do You think, we just like appeared one day? Other kid: Ya, do You think like God just put us on earth from the air? How does that process happen?

(10:14)

Swamiji: No… In the mind of God, when the desire, when the desire to create the humanity appeared, when the desire appeared, three levels of beings have appeared on planet earth. One is filled with desire. Another one is filled with desire and creativity. Third one is filled with creativity. These three levels of beings have appeared on this planet earth, when the desire appeared in the mind of God or in the mind of the Enlightened ones. If you live only filled with desire, your life will be very third grade. If you live desire and creativity, your life will be second grade. If you live only with creativity, your life will be first grade. If you are first grade person. you will again reach the same source of divine. You will go back. If you are second grade person, you are called kshatriya. If you are third grade person, you are called shudra.

(11:24)

The first grade are called brahmana, second grade are called kshatriya, third grade are called shudra. It is not that according to community, it is not by birth, it is by character. If you are filled with creativity, you are brahmana. If you are filled with creativity and desire, you are kshatriya and vaishya-both. Both are second category. If you are filled with only desire, you are shudra. So when you understand these three levels, you live according to that. If you are a shudra, you are supposed to go to vaishya level. If you are vaishya, you are supposed to go to brahmana level. If you are a brahmana, you reach the Enlightened level. Go back to the source. It does not that on one day suddenly you appeared. It is in any way, any plane you appear according to your decision. So your decision also plays a role in that.

(12:23)

Q: So all people started in India?

(12:24)

Swamiji: No, in different places but the evolution of mind, evolution of intelligence happened only in India. Going back to its original source or anything back to the original Enlightenment. It has happened only in India.

(13:05)

(Swamiji reads a question): Deeper explanation of karma from the answer given in the book on spirituality. Yes, read out what deeper explanation you want?

(13:16)

Kid: I want to be in just awareness

(13:17)

Swamiji: It is your question? Hmm, read out. Shall I read out? “What is karma? Whenever an action has been started but not completed, there is a force that pulls you to complete it, to fulfill the experience, that is karma. Any unfulfilled desire can act as that force. Even if you drink a glass of water without entering the experience fully, it will leave you with a sense of dissatisfaction. This dissatisfaction draws you enter into the another body and repeat the very same actions again and again till you get fulfillment. That tension or pull which you experience is karma.”

(13:57)

See, any desire, if you have not enjoyed totally, a music, you want to listen but you have not listened totally. Half of the song you are listening. By that time, some other work has come. Then you go to attend that work. Again you come back. You will be pulled to listen the same song after your work is over. Even at the time of work, even at the time when you are working, your mind will be on that song. Then, only when you have come back and listen to that song properly, totally, when you have completed listening, when you totally enjoyed, only then you forget about that song. The pull which brings you back to enjoy or fulfill it, to complete that experience is what is karma. You understand now?

(14:51)

Now most of the time, when you enjoy anything in the world, the restlessness, inner restlessness will not let you enjoy anything. Either guilt or inner restlessness. Inner restlessness will express in so many ways, even the shaking leg. It proves the inner restlessness. We are inside restless. Wherever you go, the shaking of the head or the way in which our mind works, the way in which you enjoy the thing...you see, before you start enjoying the thing itself you will start getting the guilt, ‘what you are doing is something wrong, what you are undergoing is something wrong.’ If you have the guilt before enjoying or the restlessness before enjoying itself you want to reach the end of it, before having the first food, taste itself, you want to go to the end of it. So if you have the restlessness to reach the end or the guilt to start...if you have the guilt, in the starting itself there will be trouble. If you have the restlessness, you will be trying to reach the end. Over greed or the fear to start-both will not allow you to enjoy anything. So when these two are there, no desire will be fulfilled. You will be pulled back again to have to fulfill the same desire.

(16:25)

So as long as you are not fulfilling your desires, not fulfilling your life, you will see, again and again, you will be pulled back, you will be brought back to the earth to enjoy it. “This is the explanation which I give for karma. Karma is not the fate or vidhi as you call it. According to My experience, there is no such thing as vidhi. The future is left completely open by existence. It is we who decide. If you live the present moment fully without worrying about the past and the future, fully, deeply, truly that is enough. You can free of karma. Karma cannot touch you.”

(17:02)

Drop the restlessness and drop the guilt for anything. Then you will see. You will be totally in the present moment. You will be totally able to receive it. You will be totally able to live it. Then no karma touches you. You will go beyond the karma. Do you understand?

(17:27)

(Swamiji reads a question by devotee) Q: Do you have to be Hindu to be liberated?

(17:29)

No, if you are a Hindu, you cannot be liberated. When you lose the idea that you are a Hindu, only then you can be liberated. So liberation does not need any pre qualification to be a Hindu or to be something. Follow as deeply as possible the rules of Sanatana Dharma. When I say the word Sanatana Dharma, Hinduism is more like a science. In the outer world, how the science existed. In the science you know very clear rules, regulations, facts, figures are there. Just like that, the rules of the inner world, inner science is what I call, what we call Sanatana Dharma or in modern days, Hinduism. The outer religion is science; inner science is religion. So as far as Hinduism concerned, it is a inner science. It has nothing to do with some religion.

(18:26)

Title:

Avatar With Kids- Playful Q & A || Part 2 || Initiation Into Powerful Cognitions || 02 March 2004

Transcript:

(0:16)

(Swamiji reads a question): Is there any way to tell when God will next reincarnate on earth?

(0:22)

Whose question? Whenever a person becomes Enlightened, he is the incarnation of God. Any person who is Enlightened is incarnation of God. So there is no such thing separate either God will come down on one time and God will not come down in the other time. God is continuously available to the world in the form of Enlightened persons. Unless he is available to the world, world cannot survive.

(0:54)

(Swamiji reads a question): What is the purpose to be born on earth?

(0:58)

To achieve the bliss, to live the life totally, blissfully.

(01:06)

(Swamiji reads a question): What percent of people are self realised?

(01:08)

Whose question it is? Yours? I can say zero percent because the world, I think what is the population of the world?

(01:22)

Devotee: Seven billion.

(01:23)

Swamiji: Seven billion? It means how many crores? 700 crores? Seven billion? Okay. Keep it as seven billion. I can say, at the most seventy are Enlightened. What ratio you will tell? What percentage can you tell? .00000 somewhere one or two will come. So I do not know about it. So you can practically you say it as zero percent. I can say, at the most seventy persons are enlightened. As on now, on the planet earth, seventy may be there.

(02:13)

Q: What is our view of other religions as Hindus?

(02:17)

Accept all the religions as one of the branches of the same banyan tree. The same banyan tree exists. There is a same… there is one banyan tree. There are ten branches. Just like that, one one dharma or one energy, one God. One is, one branch goes left, one branch goes right, one branch goes front, one branch goes backside. So no branch is superior, no branch is inferior. So look at every one of the religion as the one branches of Divine. Never look anybody as inferior, never look anybody as superior. Understand, everyone is unique.

(02:57)

Is it important to stick to dharma? What do you mean by the word dharma?

(03:02)

Whose question? Whose question? Dharma means what do you ask by the word dharma. Kid: XXXX(not clear) Swamiji: No, dharma means you are born into this planet earth. Each one’s dharma is to live happily their life, to let others, the people who are surround...around you, to let them live happily. That’s all is dharma. There is nothing else called dharma. You have no other dharma. One thing you should be happy. You should be in Ananda, you should let the people around you be in Ananda. That’s all. That is the only thing dharma. You have no other dharma. You have no other duty. You have no other responsibility except living happily and let people live happily.

(04:08)

(Swamiji reads a question): What happens after death and reincarnation? Is there a heaven?

(04:13)

Whose question? Your question? It is not that after death you go to heaven or hell, somewhere. Heaven or hell is not psychological, is not geographical. Heaven or hell are not geographical. They are psychological. It’s not that you go there. The way in which you live only creates, only decides whether you are living in hell or heaven. If you are living with guilt, with stress, with too much of anxiety, worry, the way in which you are living itself is hell. It’s not that you go there after your death. You live, you carry it with you. Wherever you go, you create it. You can create your own hell or you create your own heaven. It is not that after death, you go there. There is some place called heaven. There all the people are waiting with...to receive you. If you do all punya, as soon as you go there, they will do all the respects and take you to the AC seat, nothing like that. So there is no place where to go. It’s not like a geographical place. It is more like a psychological.

(05:25)

(Swamiji reads a question): Can you attain salvation without rituals and religion?

(05:30)

You can but very difficult. If you ask Me, “Can I reach my house without car?” You can but very difficult. You have to walk in the rain. What do you want? Rituals and religion is like a travelling inside the car. First thing you will go very speed, quickly. Second thing, you will have safety. If you walk to your house, one thing, you will not be able to reach quickly. Second thing, there is no safety. So religions and rituals help you to quicken the process of salvation. Whose question? Yours? Then whose? Anything else?

(06:23)

Kid: I don’t know whose question but You said how many people, like a nine people, I don’t know the question but then what would You consider Satya Sai Baba Because I was like...my parents want me to believe that he was God but I don’t understand.

(06:43)

Swamiji: Why? What is the problem for you to understand?

(06:46)

Kid: Because is he really God or is he like just an Enlightened person like You are?

(06:54)

Swamiji: He is also...you see, every enlightened person is a representative of God. He is a enlightened person. Every enlightened person is a representative of God. In his own way, he represents the Divine, he represents the God. So every enlightened person is a God. That much if you understand, that is more than enough. He is an Enlightened person. So naturally he represents the divine.

(07:28)

Kid: I was thinking that when You said that all evolution happened in India. You said like…

(07:39)

Swamiji: No, I did not understand. Your accent, little slow.

(07:46)

Kid: When You said that brain evolved in India, I didn’t really understand.

(07:51)

Swamiji: Intelligence of inner science evolved in India. Outer science evolved only in the Greek. Greek is the place where the outer science started, outer logic started. Inner science started in Himalayas. So outer science started only in the West. East also had outer science but too much of energy is spent only in the inner science.

(08:16)

Kid: So inner science can be psychological?

(08:19)

Swamiji: No, beyond psychological. More spiritual. In the...here you need a cellphone to speak to the person who is in distance. There you don’t need cellphone: just a mantra, a word, syllable is enough. You can relate with the guy wherever he may be. So there are lot of things led the inner science started in India. Here you need a flight to fly: there just a carpet is enough. One syllable, one mantra. Two things: West used the light. East used the sound. So it is all related to light. All the scientific development you can see, related to light only. Everything is light energy. In the East, it is all sound energy. That is why just by one carpet, they could fly.

(09:17)

Kid: You say that humans are put on the earth to become blissful, what was the point creating human, why did God created...

(09:26)

Swamiji: Next time when he creates, when he calls for conference I will ask him and tell you. There are few questions which cannot be intellectually explained at all. They can only become experience which cannot be intellectually explained at all. These are the few questions which has no intellectual answer. I can give you answer but I will not be convinced. You will be convinced but I will not be convinced. That is why I don’t want to give any answer. Wherever I don’t want to give any answer, I wanted you to think again and again deeply on it. Then you come upon an answer which totally convinces you but which you cannot repeat it to others.

(10:06)

Kid: You think everyone should be Enlightened? Is that Your goal?

(10:17)

Not that everyone should be enlightened. Everyone is enlightened. Only thing, you have to understand.

(10:25)

Kid: But we are not like You?

(10:26)

Swamiji: No, it is not that Enlightened means you will become like Me. You will put on kaavi cloth and go round Oklahoma city to give discourses to all the kids. No. Enlightened does not mean you will become a Swami. Enlightened man will become a better person in his own profession. You understand? Once you are Enlightened, you will become better engineer, better doctor, better lawyer. In My life, I have become a Swami and I have become better Swami, that’s all, because of enlightenment. Enlightenment does not mean you will also wear a maroon cloth or this orange robe and go round the world giving and preaching meditation, no. It is the way it has happened to Me. It may happen for you in a different way. Everyone is Enlightened. You need to understand. Basically you are Enlightened. Only seventy have recognised their Enlightenment. So I want you to recognise your Enlightenment.

(11:28)

Kid: Why is it most of the people that are Enlightened in India?

(11:34)

Swamiji: Because in India, the science is more active and alive. Here when the kids are born, they are given different type of exposure and the life. In India, different type of life and exposure. If you go through My biography pictures, you can see Me sitting and meditating at the age of ten. My father, mother never opposed, but at your age of ten, you may not have even heard the word meditation. So in India, it is totally different culture, different exposure, different living style. Even at the age of five-six, I started doing puja. So it is totally different. Everyday in the house, puja used to happen. So the exposure is different, trend is different, the way in which you are brought up is totally different. That is the reason.

(12:23)

Kid: So is meditation like the only way You said Enlightenment is already in us. Is that the only way we realise ourself meditation…

(12:33)

Swamiji: Yes. Meditation is the best way. Puja or they are also way but they are all techniques designed in the bullock cart age the same bullock cart speed. Meditation is the technique designed in the jet age. So the speed is jet. Jet speed. It is upto you to decide.

(12:51)

Kid: I just have a doubt about like Hinduism, when we were brought up, we were taught two contrasting things that God is everywhere. At the same time, we all believe in idol worship.

(13:00)

Swamiji: You see, God is everywhere but can you relate to God who is everywhere?

(13:05)

Kid: Like if you just close our eyes and…

(13:07)

Swamiji: One thing, in the cow’s body, milk is everywhere but only when you touch the udder, you get the milk. If you touch the horn, you won’t get, If you squeeze the ear, you won’t get the milk.

(18:23)

Kid: I am sorry but I don’t think milk is everywhere…

(13:27)

Swamiji: No, it is blood. From blood only milk comes out. The thing which becomes blood is everywhere, is everywhere. Only when you touch the udder, milk comes out. It is not that in the udder milk is stored. Do you think in the udder, milk is stored? No, no. It is everywhere. The thing which becomes milk is everywhere. It comes out through the udder. So God is everywhere but only through the idols, it is easy to relate to us, relate to the God. It is easy for Him to relate to us. It is easy for us to relate to Him. That’s why the idol worship. It is not two contrast things. It is just an understanding.

(14:16)

Kid: You said that the earth to go on for ever but scientifically they say that the sun will go round the earth, the earth will be destroyed, the solar system will be destroyed.

(14:28)

Swamiji: The sun will..?

(14:30)

Kid: The sun will explode

(14:32)

Devotee: It will release lot of energy

(14:34)

Kid: It will release lot of energy

(14:35)

Swamiji: How many years they say?

(14:40)

Kid: Five hundred years.

(14:43)

Swamiji: By that time, some other sun will come. Don’t worry. By that time, other suns will come. This is the same thing, you see, from the time immemorial, every time we, planet earth face dangers, human beings have started living beyond it. At the time of dinosaurs, the temperature or weather was totally different. Whole atmosphere was totally different but now, the human beings have survived. Even the whole thing has changed but human beings have survived. We know the way to survive.

(15:19)

How do we make life….

(15:26)

Swamiji: Just because I told, you are asking? What makes your life hell? What makes your life disturbed?

(15:37)

Kid: Asking for more greed and...it is analyzing things

(15:44)

Swamiji: Then?

(15:47)

Kid: Competition, comparison

(15:52)

Swamiji: Drop from all these things, that’s all.

(15:54)

Kid: It’s not easy.

(15:56)

Swamiji: Why do you say it is not easy?

(15:58)

Kid: Because everybody around you thinks the same way and you are brought up in a society…

(16:02)

Swamiji: One thing, when you understand the fire burns your hand, why can’t you take it away?

(16:13)

Kid: I think we try

(16:15)

Swamiji: No. Can you say I know fire burns but I can’t take away my hands!

(16:22)

Kid: That’s more physical but this is more mental.

(16:25)

Swamiji: How much you understand physical things, that much you don’t understand psychological things. That much importance you don’t give for psychological injuries. That much of importance you don’t give to look into yourself. I tell you, give your own time. Give little bit of time to look into yourself. Have appointment with yourself. You give appointment to everybody but you forget to give appointment to yourself. The appointment to yourself only I call it as meditation. I call it as a meditation. So understand very clearly that this is the thing which burns. This is the thing which disturbs. This is the thing which makes your life hell and look into it deeply and give importance to the psychological injuries and make your life happy. That’s all. It is a very simple intelligence. You learn all these words. “I tried but I am not able to be successful, Swamiji.” All these words you try from your elders. You learn from your elders. You never tried. Just you get the conclusions from elders. Never you get techniques from elders. You take conclusions from elders. Never do that. Try on your own: everything. Try to analyse all the datas which you collect from your elders. Never take any data as it is just because it is told to you. Analyse every data. Then you will surely come upon a new way of living in your own way. Your understanding should become your life, not somebody else’s understanding.

(18:10)

Time is up? Okay. So, all My love and blessings. Thank you.

(18:18)