Difference between revisions of "March 04 2006"
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| + | Swamiji, please… | ||
| + | Devotee: How did we get identified or imprisoned in this gross physical body? What did You not know before Enlightenment that You got to know after Enlightenment? What are the standards that we can tell whether or not he is enlightened or she is enlightened? | ||
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| + | Swamiji: First thing, first thing. Let Me answer the first question.’How did we got embodied?’ To tell you honestly, I don’t know the answer, Swamiji; because I can only say, how we can liberate ourself. I am not able to say how and when we have associated ourself with this shaft. Maybe when we started thinking, when the society has started teaching, maybe that is the time we created the shaft but still I am not able to be very clear about this concept also because in the...even at the time of birth, we do carry something, some connection. So I don’t know exactly when we fell into the bondage but one thing I can say, we can surely liberate ourself. That much I am very clear. We can liberate and this is the technology but I don’t know how we got into the trap or how we entered into this trap. | ||
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| + | A small story. One guy says, “For eighteen years, me and my wife were the happiest people on the planet earth. Then friend asked, “Then what happened?” “Then we both met. Then we both met each other.” So understand, I don’t know when we met each other. I don’t know when and the shaft met each other (laughs) but I don’t know really when the chain started but the chain started. That much I can be sure and how to come out of the chain, I can be sure. That is the one thing. Next question Swamiji, you asked about what is the exact technology. | ||
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| + | Devotee: Not technology. What did you not know before Your Enlightenment and that You got to know after Enlightenment? | ||
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| + | Swamiji: Ha, yes, yes, yes. This is the right question. Before the Enlightenment, I can say, after the Enlightenment, I did not started knowing something extra, I stopped or I dropped the knowledge which I had. Before the Enlightenment, I used to think this shaft is alive. I used to connect all the experience and see. After that I was very clear. I could see very clearly I am completely comfortable that thoughts rise and if they want to work, the body goes behind it and when it is done, it drops and disappears. The whole thing is happening. I am not bothered about it. Actually that constant fear or guilt or desire or something which constant irritation is not there, Swamiji. That is the thing. | ||
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| + | After Enlightenment, the only one thing I can say, the constant irritation is not there. As on now, you understand what I mean by the word constant irritation. We all carry that constant irritation. From the moment you get out of the bed till the minute you go back to the bed, constantly you are carrying that irritation. You are waiting to jump on people. You only need some excuse. You just wait to...you are waiting to jump on people. After the Enlightenment, that has disappeared. That is not there. The constant irritation is not there. I can say, two-three things happened permanently after Enlightenment. First thing, the inner chattering is not there. The gap which I gave just now, even in that few seconds, there is no word. Pure space. | ||
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| + | The second thing, the idea, the boundary, the border ends here and here starts the world, that border consciousness is not there. Whenever I have to handle the body, body moves, the handling happens but when I relax, again that idea is not there. That boundary feeling doesn’t exist. Third thing, even though body is male body, it is too personal but I can say. It is upto you to understand or not, I don’t mind. Because Swamiji has asked, at least for Swamiji’s sake, I am sharing. Even though body is male body, the identity-male or female has disappeared. The psychological identity that I am male or I am female, that doesn’t exist. It is not there. | ||
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| + | And fourth thing, constant excitement, everything excites. Even small things gives big excitement. Actually, if you live around Me, you will understand. I am the person who will be enjoying all My photographs! After the photoshoot, when the CDs come, or when the books come, or the audio CDs comes, I am the first person. I will sit and play with that for four-five days. Four-five days, I will sit and play with that. I will be enjoying. These people used to ask Me, “What is this, Swamiji? You are sitting and enjoying Your own photograph?” I tell them, “What is there? I don’t feel that something is...something should not be enjoyed.” Everything creates excitement. The constant excitement is there. | ||
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| + | Even a simple thing creates excitement, constant joy. You need some... simply some excuse to be excited. That’s all! You need simply some reason to be joyful to jump around. Otherwise that constant feeling of excitement, that joy is there. Even small, small thing-some small statue, some small Shiva or some small Buddha. That day that doctor was... doctor gave Me a beautiful Buddha statue. Every small thing gives excitement. Even a small things, you don’t feel bored with things. Otherwise, you will be really tired of speaking Swamiji and you know. You are speaking with people and you know. In last three years, I have done two hundred Ananda Spurana Programs - LBPs, personally which I did and at least eighty NSPs in last three years. You will feel bored but I don’t feel bored. Constantly whenever I see new face, I feel excited. Whenever new person is there to listen, I feel the excitement. Constant excitement is there. | ||
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| + | Only these four happened after Enlightenment. I can say these four are the permanent thing which happened after Enlightenment. Nothing else is permanent. All these things was there earlier itself. Even these ideas which I am talking or the things which I am teaching- all these things was there even before Enlightenment, Swamiji. It is not that after Enlightenment, suddenly everything got downloaded. People believe that way but it is not true. I read and read and read. Whatever I am speaking is all from the reading or the intellectual stuff which I acquired. Only these four has become permanent. And the next question you have asked about the scale. Scale to measure and as far as this question concerned Swamiji, I feel there is no scale to tell you honestly. | ||
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| + | I can say one thing. If you feel helped by that person, even if he is fake, don’t bother. Follow him. Even if you...even if he is not enlightened, if you feel your heart is vibrating with him, you feel connected to him, you are helped by him, don’t bother even if he is not enlightened, you will be helped. You will become enlightened. I have seen many incidences. The disciples grow much more than Master. Don’t bother about it. If you are not able to connect with that person, if your heart is not feeling connected, even if he is enlightened, he is not going to help you, forget about it. He won’t be able to help you. Just go behind the heart. That is the only thing I can say. | ||
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| + | There is no other scale to find out whether somebody is enlightened or not. At least according to My experience, no meter exists. No meter exists. No experiment can be done. See, when they did some research on My brain, they are able to say something extraordinary, other than human beings happening but they can’t prove Enlightenment. Even the research which they did on Me, it can only prove to the extent something more than normal human being is happening. That much only they can say but they can’t say Enlightenment itself. How can that be measured? It is simply you can’t quantify it. Hmm, next? | ||
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| + | Devotee: Okay, the question I have is, people from the West, we grow up here, we are born here. How do we get enlightened? And for all the people You spoken to in Your life, how many people You think have been enlightened? | ||
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| + | Swamiji: You see, one thing. This is a nice question. ‘How can we be enlightened?’ And Enlightenment is not restricted to East or West. Please understand, it is no way related to East or West. Anybody who thinks, you see, if you are clutched, even if you are Eastern person, you can’t be enlightened. If you are unclutched, even if you are Western person, you are...you can be enlightened because once you are unclutched, where is the question of East and West? What I am...why I am saying, I am praising about East was, the East somehow creates a situation or atmosphere in which you can easily unclutch yourself. Constantly the ideas about unclutching is put into your head. That is the only plus point with the East. Otherwise, nothing else, is great in the East. | ||
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| + | I tell people that for a premature baby, you need incubator. In incubator you put that baby for three-four months till it can live with the world, live with the atmosphere safely. Till he is safe, you put him in the incubator. Same way, East is a spiritual incubator. India is a spiritual incubator where even if you don’t want, even if you are a pucca atheist, constantly somehow some ideas will be put into your head. Something beyond your mind exists. That concept will start going inside. So that will help to...see the preliminary work is done. So it is easy for the second level work or the higher level work. | ||
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| + | See, now I say rituals will not work, japa is not going to help. People who have practiced will be able to relate with Me more deeply than the people who have not practiced. That is the reason I tell, “In the East, little easy.” Otherwise, as far as unclutching concerned, whether it is East or West, I have...I am giving a new technology which is directly helpful for everybody. Whether you are East or West, just unclutch. Do not create a one more identity that you are from East or you are from West. That is enough. You are unclutched. | ||
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| + | (11:59) | ||
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| + | Devotee: How can we relate to You, Swamiji? | ||
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| + | Swamiji: You can relate...you see, actually to tell you honestly Swamiji, if the relationship is friendly, it is going to long last. Any other relationship other than friendliness is not going to survive. I am very clear about it, Swamiji. I am very clear, any relationship, the amount of friendliness which you have, only that kind of relationship will survive. Only the friendliness is going to survive. I am very clear, Swamiji, person who touch My feet will be person to pull My feet. Whenever people bend to touch My feet, I am very clear he is going to pull the feet. So according to Me, friendliness is the only relationship. | ||
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| + | (12:47) | ||
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| + | Devotee: Swamiji, do you feel special relationship with any one of us or it is all the same for You? | ||
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| + | (12:51) | ||
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| + | Swamiji: Oh, this is another one question. It is not like a special Swamiji, like a unique. I have a individual attitude with everybody, that’s all. But not like everybody is equal or everybody is same, not like that. Everybody is unique. With everybody I cherish a different kind of relationship, that’s all. According to Me, friendliness is the only solid relationship which will stay. All other relationship may be there because of fear or greed but which will not stay, which is dangerous. People who come and straightaway touch My feet first day itself, I am afraid of them because I know it is not a matured relationship. Maybe their imagination about their Guru they project on Me and when I don’t match with that, they will blame Me. As long as I play their game, you see, as long as I do their homework, I am God. When I don’t do their homework, they will pull Me down. They will pull Me down from the throne. | ||
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| + | So I believe only in friendliness but I feel to every individual being, to express the truth but I don’t feel like attacking some person or attacking some individual and I feel everybody plays a role in society, Swamiji. Even if they are hocus-pocus, they may be preparing some thousands of people. Who knows and maybe they are inspiring some thousands of people. So we are nobody to judge. We are nobody to judge. Whenever an individual comes, I feel to open the whole thing to him but I don’t feel like targeting somebody and moreover, I feel where is the scale? Where is the scale, Swamiji? There is no scale. There is no scale, something is right and something is wrong and somebody should be exposed and all those things. It is all purely subjective. | ||
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| + | You see, for some people, they may experience something with Me, they may experience some truth with Me. They say He is God, nothing but God. For some people they may not be able to connect with Me. They may not be able to relate with Me. ‘Ah, Young fellow. I think He doesn’t get any job. So He became...He took up this job. Now somehow He has managed His survival and He is making little money and living His life.’ It is very easy. It’s not big thing, Swamiji. So people who feel connected to Me, for them I am different. People who don’t feel connected to Me, for them I am totally different. It is purely subjective experience. So how can we say, expose somebody, somebody is hocus-pocus or point finger toward somebody? Nothing. It is purely subjective, Swamiji. If somebody feels that they are helped by Me, beautiful. As long as you feel helped by Me, I feel helped by you, let us have the relationship, over! When you feel you are not helped by Me, say bye, beautiful, that’s all. That is the only thing can be done, Swamiji. | ||
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| + | Devotee: Swamiji, I have a question. If I create a shaft for a longer period of time | ||
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| + | Swamiji: Yes, I request all of you to be in this subject so that whenever you go to the different layers, we will analyse the second level-third level layers. Related to this, Annamaya kosha, shaft on annamaya kosha, let’s work on that because we are going to do meditation related to that. One more thing, I have too many things to say about this one subject of annamaya kosha and shaft. Instead of Me saying continuously, when you put questions, lot of things will come out. I am here giving you space to poke Me, to get things out of Me. | ||
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| + | Devotee: If I have created a shaft of pain for instance over a long period of time… | ||
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| + | Swamiji: Shaft of? | ||
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| + | Devotee: of pain. What’s this a shaft has been created over a shorter period of time. | ||
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| + | Swamiji: No, whether long shaft or short shaft, the shaft doesn’t exist. This moment you can liberate. There is no problem. | ||
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| + | Devotee: Okay | ||
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| + | (16:57) | ||
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| + | Swamiji: See, the pain or any shaft, long shaft or short shaft is not the question. This moment you can break. For example, if you had a tumour, if somebody had a tumour, this moment he breaks from the shaft and he is free, the body may take few months to come back to adjust itself to the new shaft, to new life. That body may take few months but otherwise the liberation is this moment. It is spontaneous. That is why I call this truth as a spontaneous liberation. | ||
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| + | Devotee: Swami, I have a half brother who has brain injury and I also go to a place where the people have had head injuries and lot of connect the shaft. They are in the moment... | ||
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| + | Swamiji: No, no, no. Be very clear. They may not be able to speak about the shaft but actually, logically they are connecting the shaft. That is why they are continuously suffering. A coma person, if he doesn’t create the shaft, he will simply come out of coma. You can see in your dream. The moment you don’t...you stop creating the shaft, you are out of dream state. You are out of dream state. They are in that injury because they are creating the shaft. The moment they stop creating the shaft, they will heal themself. They will come out of that state. Coma also...if any of you have experienced coma state, you know. You will be seeing some vague picture or darkness. The moment you stop creating that shaft, you are out. You are out. So be very clear. They may not logically be able to express to you that they are creating shaft but they are creating shaft. | ||
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| + | Devotee: Swamiji, when You said shaft, it reminded of the emails getting attached by the viruses. It is like a virus. It keeps on attaching. | ||
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| + | Swamiji: Yes, the same thing. | ||
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| + | Devotee: And also You said Swamiji that reviewing the past with updated intelligence will lead you to guilt and doctor amma says viewing the future with current intelligence leads to worry | ||
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| + | Swamiji: You see, you will have disappointment if you keep appointment with the future. All your appointments with the future will lead to disappointment. | ||
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| + | Devotee: But Swamiji, with this shaft in the pain as a physician I do see quite a few patients who have chronic fatigue syndrome, pain and… | ||
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| + | Swamiji: I tell you, it can do miracles if they can understand this and if you can give this understanding to them, it can just do miracles because constantly your body...you see, Consciousness by its very nature rejuvenating and healing. By the very nature, Consciousness rejuvenates and heals. What else you think I am doing in the...you know in healing, what we do? We just create the Consciousness, that’s all. That only heals. That only rejuvenates. Consciousness by its very nature healing and rejuvenating. All you need to do is making them understand this and trust, when they start liberating themself, let you be very clear, it will do miracles for them. | ||
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| + | Devotee: And the ones who do not have the...they cannot understand | ||
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| + | Swamiji: Then they have to suffer, what to do? | ||
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| + | Devotee: Give medicine and send them away. | ||
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| + | Swamiji: Nothing can be done. They will bring it back, nothing can be done. If they don’t have that much of maturity to understand, then no way to help. | ||
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| + | Swamiji: Anybody who wants to share some of your understanding? Raise your hand. Yes. | ||
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| + | Devotee: Okay, I have a question about identity. | ||
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| + | Swamiji: About? | ||
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| + | Devotee: Identity | ||
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| + | Swamiji: Ha, yes. | ||
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| + | Devotee: I don’t really understand if you take all the identity away from a person who you are afterwards because if you go to college and you have certain prepares, you finish you go to school for so many years, you know, you stripped of that. I don’t know what’s left. | ||
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| + | Swamiji: You see, when you, when you have invested your whole life on that personality and purpose, when it is taken away from you, first you feel shaken but if you can relax with little patience, you will suddenly see without any purpose, pure energy is overflowing through you. That is what I call Enlightened life. Enlightened life has no goals, no purpose but it has got meaning. Just pure energy expressing itself. The pure energy is playing. It’s overflowing. According to Me, that is the best life. | ||
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| + | You see, I have lived both life-life with goal, life without goal. And I tell you, the life without goal, the pure energy expressing itself is the ultimate joy. It is the ultimate joy. Just try, for few days, try to live in this space. If you don’t feel comfortable, then you can change. After all it is there waiting. It is there waiting for you. You are not going to lose anything. Purpose is there, goal is there and one more thing, when you are not enlightened, you don’t have freedom whether to be enlightened or not but after Enlightenment, you have the freedom to be enlightened or not to be enlightened. You have full freedom. So don’t worry. Come into My space. Then you can choose. | ||
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| + | Devotee: This is the second fracture that I have had and I want to get out of this cycle if I am doing this like You are saying connecting thoughts and I am in some way causing this hurt to myself and the other thing actually that I experienced this morning when You told that if you can disconnect your thoughts and say that the pain that you had yesterday is not the same pain today and I told myself, ‘Gosh! If this is true, my pain should be different’ and it is different. There is a difference in the pain… | ||
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| + | Swamiji: That’s all Ma. | ||
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| + | Devotee: And I just hope Your teachings you know, that I am just able to break this cycle of suffering that we live with. Thank You, Swamiji. | ||
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| + | Swamiji: See, actually when you understand, this moment you can apply wherever you have pain. Of course, in the meditation we will be doing that only. We will be doing that only in the meditation. Wherever you have pain or fatigue, uncomfortable feeling...one more thing, constantly you carry some pain or other. Even if you don’t have any pain, inside the stomach, in the navel area, in the Manipuraka chakra area you carry a tension. You will be constantly carrying the tension. If you don’t have the tension, you are enlightened! Either you will carry the tension or some pain. Now we will work on that pain only. Just completely unclutch yourself and see what is going on in you. You will suddenly see a new feeling happening all over your body. You will see a different ecstasy. | ||
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| + | If you are unclutched from your body, living inside the body itself is a great experience-ecstatic experience. I tell you one thing. Usually people feel constantly irritated to stay in this body. That’s why when you come out of your bed, when you get out of your sleep, you feel, ‘Oh! One more day, God!’ You feel that irritation. You will not have that if you are unclutched from your body. You will feel so comfortable, so beautiful and you will feel ecstatic to be in the body. Hmm, yes. | ||
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| + | Devotee: Is there difference between different enlightened masters like Yourself, Satya Sai Baba, Lord Krishna, Rama | ||
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| + | Swamiji: You see, be very clear. As far as the Enlightenment itself concerned, no difference. All enlightened energies, all enlightened souls live in the same space. The expression differs according to the need and the time. According to the need and the time, the expression differs. These all...what to say that...decided by the Cosmic energy according to the need. We don’t know the logic with which the duty is allotted. We don’t know with which logic She is allotting the duty, with which logic She is playing the game. It is too big logic to be measured or to be understood by our intelligence. That much I know. Only this much I am able to say. | ||
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| + | Devotee: Swamiji, is it possible to have very lofty goals in your innerspace? | ||
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| + | Swamiji: Very..? | ||
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| + | Devotee: Lofty goals in your innerspace? | ||
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| + | Swamiji: Lofty goals in your innerspace? | ||
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| + | Devotee: Right, so that there is no more room to get that so-called shaft which is… | ||
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| + | Swamiji: No, no, no, no. Then you will create one more goal, one more shaft. Do not...you see, do not create any shaft. You will suddenly feel you are overflowing without even your knowledge. If you start thinking you are overflowing, again unclutch from it. Be unclutched from that also. When you are completely unclutching, unclutching, unclutching, even without your knowledge, you will be just overflowing. That is the right thing. That is the right way to be. Do not have any lofty ideal or goal. That will become one more shaft, one more shaft. These two days I am trying My best to give you the glimpse of that being unclutched and being comfortable in that state. | ||
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| + | See, one moment you can feel unclutched by force and other moment you will feel suffocated and start again clutching yourself. That is not a big thing. I want somehow you to feel comfortable with that unclutched state. You should feel completely comfortable with the whole unclutched state. Only then you will constantly be in the same state just by remembering. The moment you remember that you are unclutched immediately you will feel you will be in that state. You will be comfortable in that state. Yes, nobody is sharing about their understanding. If you can share about some of your understanding, that will throw light for many people what you had and how you feel with this truth. | ||
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| + | Devotee: Do you really believe the karma is why is there is so much suffering | ||
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| + | Swamiji: O, you see, to tell you honestly, we don’t have solid proof for karma. We can say something as karma after happening. Can we say before happening? | ||
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| + | Devotee: But there are people who suffer without any reason. | ||
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| + | Swamiji: See, logically you can play with the idea karma but somehow I feel that it is waste. Even if you understand karma, what to do? Better let us do something to escape from the karma. Otherwise what is the need of sitting, going on talking is it agamya, sanchita, prarabdha, prarabdha sanchita, prarabdha agamya, agamya prarabdha. I just feel it is more or less waste of time. | ||
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| + | Devotee: But do You believe people who are doing something wrong they are not suffering and people who are good sometimes suffer? Do You believe in past life karma? | ||
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| + | Swamiji: This question is asked is totally subjective you see. Just because they have house, wife and car, don’t think that they are enjoying. Let you be very clear. Just because they have wealth, how can you say that they are enjoying? They might have acquired wealth but they may be living in hell, who knows? Who knows? So I don’t believe that people who have done good things they are suffering and people who have done bad things they are enjoying. May not be true because the joy and suffering itself is totally subjective. You can’t see and measure from the object. | ||
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| + | May be outside, they may be smiling at you and they are showing or posing as if they are living happily. In the West especially that attitude is more and you constantly...in Tamil there is a proverb. They won’t have anything to eat but after the food time, they will take a banana leaf and nicely put the oil and throw outside as if they ate with ghee to show to the others. To show to the others they will apply oil on the banana leaf and put it outside so that people will...on the street they will think, ‘Oh! They are eating ghee pongal. They are eating all food with ghee items. So who knows what is going on inside? | ||
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| + | Devotee: Last one comment. Some people believe that people as you get educated you get more problems and simple people have less problems. | ||
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| + | Swamiji: Simple people have less problems because they don’t know much words. They don’t create much problems. See all your problems are nothing but words which you create inside. Educated man means more words, you are ready to be cheated by the educated group. You see, that’s all. Once you become educated then so many educated groups are sitting. People who want to sell their furnitures, people who want to sell their medicines, people who want to sell their products, they are all sitting on you. You have so many people to satisfy. You need to satisfy so many people. All their expectation you have to fulfill and work. | ||
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| + | (10:40) | ||
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| + | See, all advertisements are nothing but...they are waiting for you to fulfill their satisfaction. Naturally that advertisement will enter into your head, will make you work and you will work and pay for them, that’s all. They give you inspiration. You work and pay them back and you are suffering. At least with less words, you don’t suffer much. So in a way, that’s also true. Less educated: less suffering. And you can be in another one space. You can be educated and know how to unclutch yourself and you can live a beautiful and life...beautiful life. | ||
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| + | Devotee: So the experience that lead me to You was I did… | ||
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| + | (11:25) | ||
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| + | Swamiji: (asks another devotee to know what she is saying) | ||
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| + | (11:32) | ||
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| + | Devotee: (continues) Spiritual study on past life and we were working with different Masters, clearing energies etc. and what happened at the end of two years was that I was crushed with so much weight and sadness from this past life information and my being was crying out. I just wanted to be..I couldn’t paint. I couldn’t be spontaneous and a friend called me and I happened to see You at the temple and I started meditating and it freed me and I had so much suffering from this experience. Then I started singing with harmonium and I never sang before ever and I started writing songs and a most beautiful energy has been coming through as a result of these meditations and I am just so grateful. So thank You. | ||
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| + | (12:31) | ||
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| + | Swamiji: Beautiful. That’s nice. What I am saying, it is a beautiful experience but try to be unclutched even from this. If you are unclutched even from this, it will stay permanently. If you try to hold onto this shaft, you see, if you...the moment you think that this is a beautiful shaft, you will try to elongate it and create...you will mess up the whole thing. Just be unclutched even from these beautiful experiences. I always tell people, if you are unclutched from Me, if you are unclutched from Me, you will have Nithyananda. I will be always with you. If you try to clutch yourself with Me, I will run away from you. You can’t possess Nithyananda. You can’t possess bliss. | ||
| + | (13:22) | ||
| + | Just even when the bliss happens in you, continuously unclutch yourself and suddenly you will see you are in the ocean of bliss where neither unclutching happens nor clutching happens. You are completely in a different plane. Till as long as you can continuously unclutch yourself from whatever you are experiencing, whatever you are experiencing including Me, including Me, constantly unclutch. Then you will see, you are in a different space where you don’t need to unclutch yourself at all! | ||
| + | (14:03) | ||
| + | Devotee: It is my understanding that meditation is the cessation of the mind and union with the divine but you have to create a pure, thoughtless silence, void | ||
| + | (14:12) | ||
| + | Swamiji: No, I am not even...you see, the pure thoughtless silence, void-all these things will become one more shaft. I am not trying to do that. I am just trying to help you to unclutch from the shaft which you are creating. Automatically the pure silence, void will be happening. Here you can’t work with silence or void. You can’t create silence or void. If you create silence, it will be noise. You can only stop creating shafts. Then silence will be happening in you. | ||
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Title:
Supreme Pontiff of Hinduism HDH Bhagavan Sri Nithyananda Paramashivam
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Title:
The Path to Bliss || Part 1 || Dhyana Spurana || 04 March 2006
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Title: The Path to Bliss Part 1
Name Of The Convention: Dhyana Spurana
Session on: Experiencing spontaneous liberation
Date: 04 March 2006
Venue: Los Angeles, California, USA
In this video Supreme Pontiff of Hinduism HDH #Nithyananda Paramashivam says that we constantly carry some degree of pain, either physical or emotional; or we constantly experience a tension in the naval centre. This pain and tension are caused by random thoughts that we mistakenly connect and create a shaft of pain. This shaft of pain itself doesn't exist and at any given moment we can unclutch from it and experience spontaneous liberation. HDH shares with delegates of the Dhyana Spurana Convention that if we unclutch from everything we experience, including unclutching from the Master, a pure silent void will be created automatically.
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(0:14)
Swamiji, please… Devotee: How did we get identified or imprisoned in this gross physical body? What did You not know before Enlightenment that You got to know after Enlightenment? What are the standards that we can tell whether or not he is enlightened or she is enlightened?
(0:37)
Swamiji: First thing, first thing. Let Me answer the first question.’How did we got embodied?’ To tell you honestly, I don’t know the answer, Swamiji; because I can only say, how we can liberate ourself. I am not able to say how and when we have associated ourself with this shaft. Maybe when we started thinking, when the society has started teaching, maybe that is the time we created the shaft but still I am not able to be very clear about this concept also because in the...even at the time of birth, we do carry something, some connection. So I don’t know exactly when we fell into the bondage but one thing I can say, we can surely liberate ourself. That much I am very clear. We can liberate and this is the technology but I don’t know how we got into the trap or how we entered into this trap.
(01:40)
A small story. One guy says, “For eighteen years, me and my wife were the happiest people on the planet earth. Then friend asked, “Then what happened?” “Then we both met. Then we both met each other.” So understand, I don’t know when we met each other. I don’t know when and the shaft met each other (laughs) but I don’t know really when the chain started but the chain started. That much I can be sure and how to come out of the chain, I can be sure. That is the one thing. Next question Swamiji, you asked about what is the exact technology.
(02:32)
Devotee: Not technology. What did you not know before Your Enlightenment and that You got to know after Enlightenment?
(02:40)
Swamiji: Ha, yes, yes, yes. This is the right question. Before the Enlightenment, I can say, after the Enlightenment, I did not started knowing something extra, I stopped or I dropped the knowledge which I had. Before the Enlightenment, I used to think this shaft is alive. I used to connect all the experience and see. After that I was very clear. I could see very clearly I am completely comfortable that thoughts rise and if they want to work, the body goes behind it and when it is done, it drops and disappears. The whole thing is happening. I am not bothered about it. Actually that constant fear or guilt or desire or something which constant irritation is not there, Swamiji. That is the thing.
(03:31)
After Enlightenment, the only one thing I can say, the constant irritation is not there. As on now, you understand what I mean by the word constant irritation. We all carry that constant irritation. From the moment you get out of the bed till the minute you go back to the bed, constantly you are carrying that irritation. You are waiting to jump on people. You only need some excuse. You just wait to...you are waiting to jump on people. After the Enlightenment, that has disappeared. That is not there. The constant irritation is not there. I can say, two-three things happened permanently after Enlightenment. First thing, the inner chattering is not there. The gap which I gave just now, even in that few seconds, there is no word. Pure space.
(04:31)
The second thing, the idea, the boundary, the border ends here and here starts the world, that border consciousness is not there. Whenever I have to handle the body, body moves, the handling happens but when I relax, again that idea is not there. That boundary feeling doesn’t exist. Third thing, even though body is male body, it is too personal but I can say. It is upto you to understand or not, I don’t mind. Because Swamiji has asked, at least for Swamiji’s sake, I am sharing. Even though body is male body, the identity-male or female has disappeared. The psychological identity that I am male or I am female, that doesn’t exist. It is not there.
(05:18)
And fourth thing, constant excitement, everything excites. Even small things gives big excitement. Actually, if you live around Me, you will understand. I am the person who will be enjoying all My photographs! After the photoshoot, when the CDs come, or when the books come, or the audio CDs comes, I am the first person. I will sit and play with that for four-five days. Four-five days, I will sit and play with that. I will be enjoying. These people used to ask Me, “What is this, Swamiji? You are sitting and enjoying Your own photograph?” I tell them, “What is there? I don’t feel that something is...something should not be enjoyed.” Everything creates excitement. The constant excitement is there.
(06:05)
Even a simple thing creates excitement, constant joy. You need some... simply some excuse to be excited. That’s all! You need simply some reason to be joyful to jump around. Otherwise that constant feeling of excitement, that joy is there. Even small, small thing-some small statue, some small Shiva or some small Buddha. That day that doctor was... doctor gave Me a beautiful Buddha statue. Every small thing gives excitement. Even a small things, you don’t feel bored with things. Otherwise, you will be really tired of speaking Swamiji and you know. You are speaking with people and you know. In last three years, I have done two hundred Ananda Spurana Programs - LBPs, personally which I did and at least eighty NSPs in last three years. You will feel bored but I don’t feel bored. Constantly whenever I see new face, I feel excited. Whenever new person is there to listen, I feel the excitement. Constant excitement is there.
(07:14)
Only these four happened after Enlightenment. I can say these four are the permanent thing which happened after Enlightenment. Nothing else is permanent. All these things was there earlier itself. Even these ideas which I am talking or the things which I am teaching- all these things was there even before Enlightenment, Swamiji. It is not that after Enlightenment, suddenly everything got downloaded. People believe that way but it is not true. I read and read and read. Whatever I am speaking is all from the reading or the intellectual stuff which I acquired. Only these four has become permanent. And the next question you have asked about the scale. Scale to measure and as far as this question concerned Swamiji, I feel there is no scale to tell you honestly.
(08:00)
I can say one thing. If you feel helped by that person, even if he is fake, don’t bother. Follow him. Even if you...even if he is not enlightened, if you feel your heart is vibrating with him, you feel connected to him, you are helped by him, don’t bother even if he is not enlightened, you will be helped. You will become enlightened. I have seen many incidences. The disciples grow much more than Master. Don’t bother about it. If you are not able to connect with that person, if your heart is not feeling connected, even if he is enlightened, he is not going to help you, forget about it. He won’t be able to help you. Just go behind the heart. That is the only thing I can say.
(08:44)
There is no other scale to find out whether somebody is enlightened or not. At least according to My experience, no meter exists. No meter exists. No experiment can be done. See, when they did some research on My brain, they are able to say something extraordinary, other than human beings happening but they can’t prove Enlightenment. Even the research which they did on Me, it can only prove to the extent something more than normal human being is happening. That much only they can say but they can’t say Enlightenment itself. How can that be measured? It is simply you can’t quantify it. Hmm, next?
(09:25)
Devotee: Okay, the question I have is, people from the West, we grow up here, we are born here. How do we get enlightened? And for all the people You spoken to in Your life, how many people You think have been enlightened?
(09:42)
Swamiji: You see, one thing. This is a nice question. ‘How can we be enlightened?’ And Enlightenment is not restricted to East or West. Please understand, it is no way related to East or West. Anybody who thinks, you see, if you are clutched, even if you are Eastern person, you can’t be enlightened. If you are unclutched, even if you are Western person, you are...you can be enlightened because once you are unclutched, where is the question of East and West? What I am...why I am saying, I am praising about East was, the East somehow creates a situation or atmosphere in which you can easily unclutch yourself. Constantly the ideas about unclutching is put into your head. That is the only plus point with the East. Otherwise, nothing else, is great in the East.
(10:23)
I tell people that for a premature baby, you need incubator. In incubator you put that baby for three-four months till it can live with the world, live with the atmosphere safely. Till he is safe, you put him in the incubator. Same way, East is a spiritual incubator. India is a spiritual incubator where even if you don’t want, even if you are a pucca atheist, constantly somehow some ideas will be put into your head. Something beyond your mind exists. That concept will start going inside. So that will help to...see the preliminary work is done. So it is easy for the second level work or the higher level work.
(11:20)
See, now I say rituals will not work, japa is not going to help. People who have practiced will be able to relate with Me more deeply than the people who have not practiced. That is the reason I tell, “In the East, little easy.” Otherwise, as far as unclutching concerned, whether it is East or West, I have...I am giving a new technology which is directly helpful for everybody. Whether you are East or West, just unclutch. Do not create a one more identity that you are from East or you are from West. That is enough. You are unclutched.
(11:59)
Devotee: How can we relate to You, Swamiji?
(12:02)
Swamiji: You can relate...you see, actually to tell you honestly Swamiji, if the relationship is friendly, it is going to long last. Any other relationship other than friendliness is not going to survive. I am very clear about it, Swamiji. I am very clear, any relationship, the amount of friendliness which you have, only that kind of relationship will survive. Only the friendliness is going to survive. I am very clear, Swamiji, person who touch My feet will be person to pull My feet. Whenever people bend to touch My feet, I am very clear he is going to pull the feet. So according to Me, friendliness is the only relationship.
(12:47)
Devotee: Swamiji, do you feel special relationship with any one of us or it is all the same for You?
(12:51)
Swamiji: Oh, this is another one question. It is not like a special Swamiji, like a unique. I have a individual attitude with everybody, that’s all. But not like everybody is equal or everybody is same, not like that. Everybody is unique. With everybody I cherish a different kind of relationship, that’s all. According to Me, friendliness is the only solid relationship which will stay. All other relationship may be there because of fear or greed but which will not stay, which is dangerous. People who come and straightaway touch My feet first day itself, I am afraid of them because I know it is not a matured relationship. Maybe their imagination about their Guru they project on Me and when I don’t match with that, they will blame Me. As long as I play their game, you see, as long as I do their homework, I am God. When I don’t do their homework, they will pull Me down. They will pull Me down from the throne.
(13:53)
So I believe only in friendliness but I feel to every individual being, to express the truth but I don’t feel like attacking some person or attacking some individual and I feel everybody plays a role in society, Swamiji. Even if they are hocus-pocus, they may be preparing some thousands of people. Who knows and maybe they are inspiring some thousands of people. So we are nobody to judge. We are nobody to judge. Whenever an individual comes, I feel to open the whole thing to him but I don’t feel like targeting somebody and moreover, I feel where is the scale? Where is the scale, Swamiji? There is no scale. There is no scale, something is right and something is wrong and somebody should be exposed and all those things. It is all purely subjective.
(14:47)
You see, for some people, they may experience something with Me, they may experience some truth with Me. They say He is God, nothing but God. For some people they may not be able to connect with Me. They may not be able to relate with Me. ‘Ah, Young fellow. I think He doesn’t get any job. So He became...He took up this job. Now somehow He has managed His survival and He is making little money and living His life.’ It is very easy. It’s not big thing, Swamiji. So people who feel connected to Me, for them I am different. People who don’t feel connected to Me, for them I am totally different. It is purely subjective experience. So how can we say, expose somebody, somebody is hocus-pocus or point finger toward somebody? Nothing. It is purely subjective, Swamiji. If somebody feels that they are helped by Me, beautiful. As long as you feel helped by Me, I feel helped by you, let us have the relationship, over! When you feel you are not helped by Me, say bye, beautiful, that’s all. That is the only thing can be done, Swamiji.
(15:54)
Devotee: Swamiji, I have a question. If I create a shaft for a longer period of time
(16:00)
Swamiji: Yes, I request all of you to be in this subject so that whenever you go to the different layers, we will analyse the second level-third level layers. Related to this, Annamaya kosha, shaft on annamaya kosha, let’s work on that because we are going to do meditation related to that. One more thing, I have too many things to say about this one subject of annamaya kosha and shaft. Instead of Me saying continuously, when you put questions, lot of things will come out. I am here giving you space to poke Me, to get things out of Me.
(16:37)
Devotee: If I have created a shaft of pain for instance over a long period of time…
(16:42)
Swamiji: Shaft of?
(16:43)
Devotee: of pain. What’s this a shaft has been created over a shorter period of time.
(16:48)
Swamiji: No, whether long shaft or short shaft, the shaft doesn’t exist. This moment you can liberate. There is no problem.
(16:55)
Devotee: Okay
(16:57)
Swamiji: See, the pain or any shaft, long shaft or short shaft is not the question. This moment you can break. For example, if you had a tumour, if somebody had a tumour, this moment he breaks from the shaft and he is free, the body may take few months to come back to adjust itself to the new shaft, to new life. That body may take few months but otherwise the liberation is this moment. It is spontaneous. That is why I call this truth as a spontaneous liberation.
(17:34)
Devotee: Swami, I have a half brother who has brain injury and I also go to a place where the people have had head injuries and lot of connect the shaft. They are in the moment...
(17:49)
Swamiji: No, no, no. Be very clear. They may not be able to speak about the shaft but actually, logically they are connecting the shaft. That is why they are continuously suffering. A coma person, if he doesn’t create the shaft, he will simply come out of coma. You can see in your dream. The moment you don’t...you stop creating the shaft, you are out of dream state. You are out of dream state. They are in that injury because they are creating the shaft. The moment they stop creating the shaft, they will heal themself. They will come out of that state. Coma also...if any of you have experienced coma state, you know. You will be seeing some vague picture or darkness. The moment you stop creating that shaft, you are out. You are out. So be very clear. They may not logically be able to express to you that they are creating shaft but they are creating shaft.
(18:51)
Devotee: Swamiji, when You said shaft, it reminded of the emails getting attached by the viruses. It is like a virus. It keeps on attaching.
(19:02)
Swamiji: Yes, the same thing.
(19:06)
Devotee: And also You said Swamiji that reviewing the past with updated intelligence will lead you to guilt and doctor amma says viewing the future with current intelligence leads to worry
(19:19)
Swamiji: You see, you will have disappointment if you keep appointment with the future. All your appointments with the future will lead to disappointment.
(19:28)
Devotee: But Swamiji, with this shaft in the pain as a physician I do see quite a few patients who have chronic fatigue syndrome, pain and…
(19:39)
Swamiji: I tell you, it can do miracles if they can understand this and if you can give this understanding to them, it can just do miracles because constantly your body...you see, Consciousness by its very nature rejuvenating and healing. By the very nature, Consciousness rejuvenates and heals. What else you think I am doing in the...you know in healing, what we do? We just create the Consciousness, that’s all. That only heals. That only rejuvenates. Consciousness by its very nature healing and rejuvenating. All you need to do is making them understand this and trust, when they start liberating themself, let you be very clear, it will do miracles for them.
(20:30)
Devotee: And the ones who do not have the...they cannot understand
(20:35)
Swamiji: Then they have to suffer, what to do?
(20:36)
Devotee: Give medicine and send them away.
(20:39)
Swamiji: Nothing can be done. They will bring it back, nothing can be done. If they don’t have that much of maturity to understand, then no way to help.
(20:48)
Title:
The Path to Bliss || Part 2 || Dhyana Spurana || 04 March 2006
Description:
Title: The Path to Bliss Part 2
Name Of The Convention: Dhyana Spurana
Session on: Experiencing spontaneous liberation
Date: 04 March 2006
Venue: Los Angeles, California, USA
In this video Supreme Pontiff of Hinduism HDH #Nithyananda Paramashivam says that we constantly carry some degree of pain, either physical or emotional; or we constantly experience a tension in the naval centre. This pain and tension are caused by random thoughts that we mistakenly connect and create a shaft of pain. This shaft of pain itself doesn't exist and at any given moment we can unclutch from it and experience spontaneous liberation. HDH shares with delegates of the Dhyana Spurana Convention that if we unclutch from everything we experience, including unclutching from the Master, a pure silent void will be created automatically.
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(0:15)
Swamiji: Anybody who wants to share some of your understanding? Raise your hand. Yes.
(0:20)
Devotee: Okay, I have a question about identity.
(0:24)
Swamiji: About?
(0:24)
Devotee: Identity
(0:26)
Swamiji: Ha, yes.
(0:27)
Devotee: I don’t really understand if you take all the identity away from a person who you are afterwards because if you go to college and you have certain prepares, you finish you go to school for so many years, you know, you stripped of that. I don’t know what’s left.
(0:48)
Swamiji: You see, when you, when you have invested your whole life on that personality and purpose, when it is taken away from you, first you feel shaken but if you can relax with little patience, you will suddenly see without any purpose, pure energy is overflowing through you. That is what I call Enlightened life. Enlightened life has no goals, no purpose but it has got meaning. Just pure energy expressing itself. The pure energy is playing. It’s overflowing. According to Me, that is the best life.
(01:31)
You see, I have lived both life-life with goal, life without goal. And I tell you, the life without goal, the pure energy expressing itself is the ultimate joy. It is the ultimate joy. Just try, for few days, try to live in this space. If you don’t feel comfortable, then you can change. After all it is there waiting. It is there waiting for you. You are not going to lose anything. Purpose is there, goal is there and one more thing, when you are not enlightened, you don’t have freedom whether to be enlightened or not but after Enlightenment, you have the freedom to be enlightened or not to be enlightened. You have full freedom. So don’t worry. Come into My space. Then you can choose.
(02:14)
Devotee: This is the second fracture that I have had and I want to get out of this cycle if I am doing this like You are saying connecting thoughts and I am in some way causing this hurt to myself and the other thing actually that I experienced this morning when You told that if you can disconnect your thoughts and say that the pain that you had yesterday is not the same pain today and I told myself, ‘Gosh! If this is true, my pain should be different’ and it is different. There is a difference in the pain…
(02:46)
Swamiji: That’s all Ma.
(02:47)
Devotee: And I just hope Your teachings you know, that I am just able to break this cycle of suffering that we live with. Thank You, Swamiji.
(02:56)
Swamiji: See, actually when you understand, this moment you can apply wherever you have pain. Of course, in the meditation we will be doing that only. We will be doing that only in the meditation. Wherever you have pain or fatigue, uncomfortable feeling...one more thing, constantly you carry some pain or other. Even if you don’t have any pain, inside the stomach, in the navel area, in the Manipuraka chakra area you carry a tension. You will be constantly carrying the tension. If you don’t have the tension, you are enlightened! Either you will carry the tension or some pain. Now we will work on that pain only. Just completely unclutch yourself and see what is going on in you. You will suddenly see a new feeling happening all over your body. You will see a different ecstasy.
(03:48)
If you are unclutched from your body, living inside the body itself is a great experience-ecstatic experience. I tell you one thing. Usually people feel constantly irritated to stay in this body. That’s why when you come out of your bed, when you get out of your sleep, you feel, ‘Oh! One more day, God!’ You feel that irritation. You will not have that if you are unclutched from your body. You will feel so comfortable, so beautiful and you will feel ecstatic to be in the body. Hmm, yes.
(04:29)
Devotee: Is there difference between different enlightened masters like Yourself, Satya Sai Baba, Lord Krishna, Rama
(04:40)
Swamiji: You see, be very clear. As far as the Enlightenment itself concerned, no difference. All enlightened energies, all enlightened souls live in the same space. The expression differs according to the need and the time. According to the need and the time, the expression differs. These all...what to say that...decided by the Cosmic energy according to the need. We don’t know the logic with which the duty is allotted. We don’t know with which logic She is allotting the duty, with which logic She is playing the game. It is too big logic to be measured or to be understood by our intelligence. That much I know. Only this much I am able to say.
(05:31)
Devotee: Swamiji, is it possible to have very lofty goals in your innerspace?
(05:39)
Swamiji: Very..?
(05:40)
Devotee: Lofty goals in your innerspace?
(05:45)
Swamiji: Lofty goals in your innerspace?
(05:47)
Devotee: Right, so that there is no more room to get that so-called shaft which is…
(05:54)
Swamiji: No, no, no, no. Then you will create one more goal, one more shaft. Do not...you see, do not create any shaft. You will suddenly feel you are overflowing without even your knowledge. If you start thinking you are overflowing, again unclutch from it. Be unclutched from that also. When you are completely unclutching, unclutching, unclutching, even without your knowledge, you will be just overflowing. That is the right thing. That is the right way to be. Do not have any lofty ideal or goal. That will become one more shaft, one more shaft. These two days I am trying My best to give you the glimpse of that being unclutched and being comfortable in that state.
(06:39)
See, one moment you can feel unclutched by force and other moment you will feel suffocated and start again clutching yourself. That is not a big thing. I want somehow you to feel comfortable with that unclutched state. You should feel completely comfortable with the whole unclutched state. Only then you will constantly be in the same state just by remembering. The moment you remember that you are unclutched immediately you will feel you will be in that state. You will be comfortable in that state. Yes, nobody is sharing about their understanding. If you can share about some of your understanding, that will throw light for many people what you had and how you feel with this truth.
(07:29)
Devotee: Do you really believe the karma is why is there is so much suffering
(07:33)
Swamiji: O, you see, to tell you honestly, we don’t have solid proof for karma. We can say something as karma after happening. Can we say before happening?
(07:43)
Devotee: But there are people who suffer without any reason.
(07:47)
Swamiji: See, logically you can play with the idea karma but somehow I feel that it is waste. Even if you understand karma, what to do? Better let us do something to escape from the karma. Otherwise what is the need of sitting, going on talking is it agamya, sanchita, prarabdha, prarabdha sanchita, prarabdha agamya, agamya prarabdha. I just feel it is more or less waste of time.
(08:12)
Devotee: But do You believe people who are doing something wrong they are not suffering and people who are good sometimes suffer? Do You believe in past life karma?
(08:21)
Swamiji: This question is asked is totally subjective you see. Just because they have house, wife and car, don’t think that they are enjoying. Let you be very clear. Just because they have wealth, how can you say that they are enjoying? They might have acquired wealth but they may be living in hell, who knows? Who knows? So I don’t believe that people who have done good things they are suffering and people who have done bad things they are enjoying. May not be true because the joy and suffering itself is totally subjective. You can’t see and measure from the object.
(08:55)
May be outside, they may be smiling at you and they are showing or posing as if they are living happily. In the West especially that attitude is more and you constantly...in Tamil there is a proverb. They won’t have anything to eat but after the food time, they will take a banana leaf and nicely put the oil and throw outside as if they ate with ghee to show to the others. To show to the others they will apply oil on the banana leaf and put it outside so that people will...on the street they will think, ‘Oh! They are eating ghee pongal. They are eating all food with ghee items. So who knows what is going on inside?
(09:43)
Devotee: Last one comment. Some people believe that people as you get educated you get more problems and simple people have less problems.
(10:03)
Swamiji: Simple people have less problems because they don’t know much words. They don’t create much problems. See all your problems are nothing but words which you create inside. Educated man means more words, you are ready to be cheated by the educated group. You see, that’s all. Once you become educated then so many educated groups are sitting. People who want to sell their furnitures, people who want to sell their medicines, people who want to sell their products, they are all sitting on you. You have so many people to satisfy. You need to satisfy so many people. All their expectation you have to fulfill and work.
(10:40)
See, all advertisements are nothing but...they are waiting for you to fulfill their satisfaction. Naturally that advertisement will enter into your head, will make you work and you will work and pay for them, that’s all. They give you inspiration. You work and pay them back and you are suffering. At least with less words, you don’t suffer much. So in a way, that’s also true. Less educated: less suffering. And you can be in another one space. You can be educated and know how to unclutch yourself and you can live a beautiful and life...beautiful life.
(11:19)
Devotee: So the experience that lead me to You was I did…
(11:25)
Swamiji: (asks another devotee to know what she is saying)
(11:32)
Devotee: (continues) Spiritual study on past life and we were working with different Masters, clearing energies etc. and what happened at the end of two years was that I was crushed with so much weight and sadness from this past life information and my being was crying out. I just wanted to be..I couldn’t paint. I couldn’t be spontaneous and a friend called me and I happened to see You at the temple and I started meditating and it freed me and I had so much suffering from this experience. Then I started singing with harmonium and I never sang before ever and I started writing songs and a most beautiful energy has been coming through as a result of these meditations and I am just so grateful. So thank You.
(12:31)
Swamiji: Beautiful. That’s nice. What I am saying, it is a beautiful experience but try to be unclutched even from this. If you are unclutched even from this, it will stay permanently. If you try to hold onto this shaft, you see, if you...the moment you think that this is a beautiful shaft, you will try to elongate it and create...you will mess up the whole thing. Just be unclutched even from these beautiful experiences. I always tell people, if you are unclutched from Me, if you are unclutched from Me, you will have Nithyananda. I will be always with you. If you try to clutch yourself with Me, I will run away from you. You can’t possess Nithyananda. You can’t possess bliss.
(13:22)
Just even when the bliss happens in you, continuously unclutch yourself and suddenly you will see you are in the ocean of bliss where neither unclutching happens nor clutching happens. You are completely in a different plane. Till as long as you can continuously unclutch yourself from whatever you are experiencing, whatever you are experiencing including Me, including Me, constantly unclutch. Then you will see, you are in a different space where you don’t need to unclutch yourself at all!
(14:03)
Devotee: It is my understanding that meditation is the cessation of the mind and union with the divine but you have to create a pure, thoughtless silence, void
(14:12)
Swamiji: No, I am not even...you see, the pure thoughtless silence, void-all these things will become one more shaft. I am not trying to do that. I am just trying to help you to unclutch from the shaft which you are creating. Automatically the pure silence, void will be happening. Here you can’t work with silence or void. You can’t create silence or void. If you create silence, it will be noise. You can only stop creating shafts. Then silence will be happening in you.
(14:45)
Title
Drop Your Identity || Part 1 || Dhyana Spurana || 04 March 2006
Description:
Name of Convention: Dhyana Spurana
Session on: Drop Your Identity Part 1
Venue: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Date: 04 March 2006
In this video the Supreme Pontiff of Hinduism HDH #Nithyananda Paramashivam shared with the delegates of the Dhyana Spurana that this convention is for sincere and serious seekers who want transformation. It will make us understand the truth in our inner space and throw light onto the dark corners of our life. At the Physical Layer (Annamaya Kosha), we are protective of our identity, which is the last thing we are willing to sacrifice. Every moment thoughts are created and our body is guided by our beliefs and emotions. For example, if we believe in tiredness, we will always feel tired. Only by dropping this thought associated with our identity, will we be free of diseases. The problem is that our identity happens in our body. Constantly, we are creating a body with diseases. When we understand this, we are reborn anew. Come and find out more from the Avatar!
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(0:17)
The reality which is happening, if you are really serious about transformation, this is the one and only way. if you just want to play the game; you see, many time ------Swami, nice day, so we are playing’. There are so many professional seekers come to me, they come and tell me,’ Swami my seeking is much older than your age!’ They come and, yesterday also somebody also came and told me ‘ Im one century ahead of you’. That is OK, nothing wrong, being one century ahead of me is nothing, half a century not one century, nothing wrong. Another one person told me ; ‘My seeking is one century, half a century ahead of you’. Right! What have you got? What have you achieved?
If you are a professional seeker, just want to do window shopping; and you saw the flyer somewhere,’Oh I ; Nice Swami, let’s go and see ! ‘ (1:14) What he says, if you have come to check out then OK, you don’t need any meditation or any of these great teachings; can just sit and listen. If you are really sincere, serious about the business, business of transformation. If you are really serious then this is the only way, let you understand. Now we will work step by step to take this understanding into your deeper layer, and show you exactly how, what I am saying is truth! How this is truth in your inner space. Now, I presented this truth in front of you, we will work in every step; The level of guilt, The level of fear,The level of desire; We’ll just see how there are so many thousands of thoughts, and you create, pick up some thoughts and connect with each other, and create your desire, and the one behind that , and make your life hell ! Thinking that it’ll give you joy and finally it gives only pain. And even then you are not ready to give up your belief.
(2:29)
And again, just because you started believing, you are afraid to give up. If you give up, then you have nothing else to do; the fear of not doing anything else; a fear of being alone, that drives you crazy! How you create, step by step by step, your hell beautifully or in ugly way; not beautifully ; ugly way. We will see how you are creating your hell! The moment you can understand how you create your hell, naturally you will stop creating, that’s enough! You don’t need to start creating your heaven, because heaven ‘is’ heaven is ‘existing’! All you need to do is stop creating hell for yourself and for others. You are not only creating for you, you create for others also, it’s because you feel lonely in your hell! You call your neighbours also,’Please come, come, please come, why dont you share a little bit, why not, let’s share, let’s share our space; you are not feeling comfortable when you are alone! That is why I say, all your relationship is nothing but creating more and more intimate enemies, you create more and more intimate enemies.
Let you be very clear, by your very nature you are unclutched, unconnected, illogical, independent and completely unclutched thoughts ! (4:05) We will take this truth layer by layer and experience it. If you experience this moment, if you understand this moment, nothing else is necessary. Actually, it’s enough, we are done. If you understand this moment and if you are feeling ‘yes nothing more to do’, then this is done! This is enough, nothing else is necessary. But, sometimes we need to throw the light at every corner, to every corner, there are so many dark corners in your being, we’ll throw light to every corner, so that your being can become completely enlightened, completely enlightened. Now first few things to be understood in the physical level, in the annamaya kosha. Just very simple, basic to understanding, then you will understand how you are stopping the growth of the rejuvenation, self healing process, by thinking and connecting and creating shafts. Every moment, constantly your thoughts are creating your body, that’s the first thing. Next, thing, your body is guided by your beliefs and emotions.
(5:39)
First thing, your body is created by your body, by your mind and thoughts. Next thing, it is guided by your emotions and beliefs which you are carrying, (5:57) There is a beautiful book written by Bruce Lypton, ‘Biology of Belief,’ It’s a beautiful book, after long research, he says, ‘Your body is not guided by self and as we are all made to believe in biology; your body is not guided by cells; you are not just a bio-mechanism’. He says ‘you are guided by your belief and your emotions’, He goes further deep to explain, step by step everything. Anyhow, five thousand years ago Patanjali is very clear, he says very clearly just by iccha matra, just by your desire, you create your sharira. Just by your desire you create your body, and you can destroy or you can do whatever you want with your body. (7:10) Now understand, with this truth of you being unclutched. If you understand that your body is being created every moment by your thoughts, by your emotions. Why are we continuously carrying diseases?
Why are we again and again bringing our diseases back? And one more thing, according to, even according to biology; you are creating your body, you are rejuvenate your body, continuously. ( 7:53) Your liver is replaced once in six months; Your complete intestines are replaced once in twenty one days. Constantly you are replacing yourself You are rejuvenating yourself. Then why are we bringing, why are we holding on to our diseases? Because of your old mental set-up. When you believe in something,, when you create an identity, when you start believing in something, when you create an identity, when you start believing the identity which you are carrying about yourself. The continuity of identity create the same kind of body. So the problem which is in your identity happens in your body. If you don’t drop that identity the body also continuously suffers. Even the new body which you create, will be the same old problem. Constantly you are creating body with diseases.
(8:57)
If you can understand and relax with this truth, if you can understand and relax with this one truth, you are unclutched. You will rejuvenate the body and you will create a new body. That ‘s what Shiva says, ‘Be Born Anew.’ By understanding this truth, be born anew. Whether you have pain or any suffering, just completely unclutch yourself and see; the pain which you experienced ten days ago, the pain which you experienced nine days ago, the pain which you experienced yesterday; do not connect them and give a label. Just be very clear, something is happening in that area, something is happening in my body. Do not label, do not start believing ‘I have continuous pain (10:00) The oment to start believing you have continuous pain you have created problem. Even if you get rid of that pain, you’ll be waiting for the pain; ‘Oh that pain has gone but I don’t know whether it will come back. Inside your mind you don’t believe that it has gone once for all, you will wait to bring that pain back; you are waiting to get hurt, you are waiting to get the disease, you are just silently, patiently, meditating for the disease to come inside. (10:35) That is what you are doing, waiting for that particular disease means, you are meditating! You are just waiting for it to come inside, you are just asking, ‘Oh when it’ll come I don’t know, when it will come I don’t know. It’s almost like meditating for God ! You are meditating for pain, you are meditating for diseases. When you create even one shaft, one idea you have this problem, you have that problem, constantly you will be bringing it back. Even when you don’t have, you will not be able to believe that you are not having, you will not be able to believe you are not having.
(11:23)
Can see in your life , in the young age, if your mother teaches you, if you are taught by your mother; if you go in the rain you will have wheezing. After you grow, even after you become old, you don’t even have to go in the rain, just see the rain through the window, you will sneeze! The moment you see the rain through the window, you will start sneezing; and sometime by mistake you may not observe and you may not sneeze, you may not sneeze but even then,’Oh it’s raining, but somehow I’m not feeling any problem, I’m not feeling cold, why what happened? Now it has become alright or what?’ Constantly you suspect and meditate for two days, till it comes to you. Till it comes you’ll be constantly meditating, because the moment you start believing something, the moment you start connecting the shaft. and start believing, even if it doesn’t happen you are not comfortable. You wanted the shaft to be executed; only then you will feel the identity is safe. You are ready to do, you are ready to sacrifice (12:43) anything to protect your identity. Be very clear, including your body you are ready to do anything to protect your identity. You can see in your life, to protect, that is the last thing which you want to lose.
(13:01)
You don’t want to lose the identity. To protect the identity you will do anything. Actually, people can sacrifice anything, it is easy to sacrifice wealth, it is easy to sacrifice money, it is easy to sacrifice wife, because it will be constantly hurting; it is easy to sacrifice all these things. (13: 21) But it is not easy to sacrifice the identity. It is very easy to sacrifice things which is hurting. I have seen many people, they will give all their wealth, everything, and run away to Himalayas. They’ll be sitting in Himalayas, but they will have given up so many things! But they will not give up the seat in which they are sitting. In the Himalayas, in the temples I have seen, they will fight for the place where they sit. They would have given up so many things, but they won’t be able to give up that chair or the seat where they are sitting. Or that kamandalu, every day they will be wiping and washing the kamandalu, ten times they will be cleaning and it will be shining, but they will be cleaning. They will have given up so many things, but they can’t give up that kamandalu (14:10) And even if they have managed to give up this kamandalu, also they can’t give up the identity; I am this, I am that. It is very difficult to give up the identity. You will sacrifice anything for identity. All your diseases are nothing but sacrificing your body for the sake of your identity. When you start believing, you have an identity; when you start believing you are somebody; according to that belief you alter your body. According to that belief you force yourself to act, your body creates or maintains particular disease according to the identity which you create. ( 15:04)
(15:04)
According to the beliefs which you create about your body; tiredness,chronic fatigue; all these things are directly related to this shaft. If you start believing; you see; yesterday’s tiredness and day before yesterday’s tiredness, or which you experienced one month ago. Theyr’e complete independent experiences. But, when you start connecting all of them and seeing,’ by eight ‘o’ clock I’ll become tired; If you create a shaft , by six ‘o’clock you will start preparing your mind; ‘Hey it’s becoming eight ‘o’ clock, I have to fulfill my belief, I have to fulfill my faith, I have to fulfill my identity. You have to fulfill your identity; you start creating the dullness or lethargic feeling by six ‘o’ clock itself. You have to prove your identity, because you created it. Sometimes you may have forgot to prove your identity to the outer world, but you will never miss to prove the identity to yourself. Because if the outer world doesn’t believe your identity, is also OK. But you yourself starts suspecting or your identity is too dangerous, you will never let that happen. ( 16:25) Be very clear, I am exposing all the cunning games you are playing with yourself. All the games which you are playing with yourself. You will never let down your identity with yourself, because without that identity you will be afraid ; What to do? How to be ( 16:50)
16:50)
You need to be . You can’t be without anything. So you have to be somebody, so create some identity. All your identity is a pure myth! You see I can generalize and tell you these are usual problems, which you suffer in the annamaya kosha, in the first layer; because of your identity and because of the belief or because you connect and see the shaft. If you can come up with your questions; now we will have a few minutes. Either you can share some of your understandings, how you are creating shaft and suffering. (17:25) relating this annamaya kosha and how you understand that now! You can share your understanding or you can put some question, you can ask some questions. Anything related to this annamaya kosha we will analyze now ( 17:53) Layer by layer we’ll analyze, otherwise all the questions at a time, we’ll forget the truth we are supposed to understand. Layer by layer we’ll understand, we’ll throw light and we’ll apply this same truth and try to liberate ourself from the shaft which we are creating or which we are thinking we are creating. Again, whether the shaft exists we don’t know, but we constantly think we have created that shaft. So now, we’ll takes a few minutes to share, you can share some of your understanding now, or you can put any question. To share, some of your understanding you need the courage to laugh at the drama or the game which you are playing. If you don’t have the courage you can’t open up, because -----------you’ll be putting the identity which you are carrying. ( 19:06)
(19:06)
Only if you feel, if you feel courageous enough to laugh at the foolish drama which we are constantly doing, only if you understand it is really a foolish drama. Otherwise you can carry on, no problem. Only when you understand the foolish drama which you are doing, in the name of identity which you are carrying, then only you will be able to laugh at it. You’ll be able to open what you are doing or how you are playing with this shaft
Title
Drop Your Identity || Part 2 || Dhyana Spurana || 04 March 2006
Description:
Name of Convention: Dhyana Spurana
Session on: Drop Your Identity Part 2
Venue: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Date: 04 March 2006
In this video the Supreme Pontiff of Hinduism HDH #Nithyananda Paramashivam shared with the delegates of the Dhyana Spurana that this convention is for sincere and serious seekers who want transformation. It will make us understand the truth in our inner space and throw light onto the dark corners of our life. At the Physical Layer (Annamaya Kosha), we are protective of our identity, which is the last thing we are willing to sacrifice. Every moment thoughts are created and our body is guided by our beliefs and emotions. For example, if we believe in tiredness, we will always feel tired. Only by dropping this thought associated with our identity, will we be free of diseases. The problem is that our identity happens in our body. Constantly, we are creating a body with diseases. When we understand this, we are reborn anew. Come and find out more from the Avatar!
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Drop Your Identity || Part 3 || Dhyana Spurana || 04 March 2006
Description:
Name of Convention: Dhyana Spurana
Session on: Drop Your Identity Part 3
Venue: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Date: 04 March 2006
In this video the Supreme Pontiff of Hinduism HDH #Nithyananda Paramashivam shared with the delegates of the Dhyana Spurana that this convention is for sincere and serious seekers who want transformation. It will make us understand the truth in our inner space and throw light onto the dark corners of our life. At the Physical Layer (Annamaya Kosha), we are protective of our identity, which is the last thing we are willing to sacrifice. Every moment thoughts are created and our body is guided by our beliefs and emotions. For example, if we believe in tiredness, we will always feel tired. Only by dropping this thought associated with our identity, will we be free of diseases. The problem is that our identity happens in our body. Constantly, we are creating a body with diseases. When we understand this, we are reborn anew. Come and find out more from the Avatar!
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Free Your Mind, Be Unclutched || Dhyana Spurana || 04 March 2006
Description:
Name of Convention: Dhyana Spurana
Title: Free Your Mind, Be Unclutched
Date: 04 March, 2006
Venue: Los Angeles, CA, U.S.A.
In this video, Supreme Pontiff of Hinduism HDH #Nithyananda Paramashivam answers questions of the delegates on the Dhyana Spurana convention held at the Nithyananda Vedic Temple in Los Angeles. His Divine Holiness gives a clear interpretation how different levels of logic apply to different circumstances; He applies the spiritual logic to interpret the Purna Mantra from the Isavasya Upanishad. HDH Nithyananda Paramashivam shares about the essence of the experience of enlightenment, and the importance of unclutching.
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Look In & Be Pain Free || Dhyana Spurana || 04 March 2006
Description:
Name of Convention: Dhyana Spurana
Session on: Look In & Be Pain Free
Date: 04 March, 2006
Venue: Los Angeles, CA, U.S.A.
In this video, Supreme Pontiff of Hinduism HDH #Nithyananda Paramashivam shares a technique on how we can move beyond pain and go to the next level. His Divine Holiness covers different topics as He answers questions of delegates. He explains the difference between tamas and unclutched space; in both cases the mind is quiet. However, in tamas the body is lazy, in an unclutched state and space the body will be highly active. Furthermore HDH Nithyananda Paramashivam speaks elaborately about karma.
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Answer to All Problems || Dhyana Spurana || 04 March 2006
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Name of Convention: Dhyana Spurana
Session on: Answer to All Problems
Date: 04 March, 2006
Venue: Los Angeles, CA, U.S.A.
In this video, Supreme Pontiff of Hinduism HDH #Nithyananda Paramashivam gives a clear explanation on what happened on a neuro-biological level during and after His enlightenment experience. His Divine Holiness furthermore defines a practical solution on how we can deal with fear, lust, greed and anger. HDH Nithyananda Paramashivam answers many questions of delegates related to unclutching, and how this is related to solving any problem.
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Life Energy || Part 1 || Dhyana Spurana || 04 March 2006
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Title: Life Energy Part 1
Name Of The Convention: Dhyana Spurana
Session on: Deeper truths about Prana
Date : 04 March 2006
Venue : Los Angeles, California, USA
In this video Supreme Pontiff of Hinduism HDH #Nithyananda Paramashivam in the two day convention initiates and teaches participants the Pranic (Life) Energy and works with them giving a deeper understanding as how they should unclutch and allow the Truth to sink in their beings. He also answers the various questions from participants.
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Life Energy || Part 2 || Dhyana Spurana || 04 March 2006
Description:
Title: Life Energy Part 2
Name Of The Convention: Dhyana Spurana
Session on: Deeper truths about Prana
Date : 04 March 2006
Venue : Los Angeles, California, USA
In this video Supreme Pontiff of Hinduism HDH #Nithyananda Paramashivam in the two day convention initiates and teaches participants the Pranic (Life) Energy and works with them giving a deeper understanding as how they should unclutch and allow the Truth to sink in their beings. He also answers the various questions from participants.
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Life Energy || Part 3 || Dhyana Spurana || 04 March 2006
Description:
Title: Life Energy Part 3
Name Of The Convention: Dhyana Spurana
Session on: Deeper truths about Prana
Date : 04 March 2006
Venue : Los Angeles, California, USA
In this video Supreme Pontiff of Hinduism HDH #Nithyananda Paramashivam in the two day convention initiates and teaches participants the Pranic (Life) Energy and works with them giving a deeper understanding as how they should un-clutch and allow the Truth to sink in their beings. He also answers the various questions from participants.
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Do Not Add Words, Just Unclutch || Dhyana Spurana || 04 March 2006
Description:
Name Of The Convention: Dhyana Spurana
Session on: Science of Unclutching
Date : 04 March 2006
Venue : Los Angeles, CA, USA
Title: Do Not Add Words, Just Unclutch
In this video, the Supreme Pontiff of Hinduism HDH #Nithyananda Paramashivam addresses the delegates of the Dhyana Spurana program. HDH highlights the importance of practice, more particularly translating the rational understanding in experience as effective way to add depth to our inner space rather than more words and confusion. Trust and openness are basic requirements for the transmission of knowledge and the spiritual solutions to the problems caused by our identities. It is the identities that are responsible for the creation of suffering shafts to which the ultimate remedy is, in fact, unclutching.
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SPH Conducting Dhyana Spurana Convention (Day1) At Los Angeles, USA
